Microsoft Windows Vista

[yumafia]

Does anyone here know whats going to be Retail price of it, i rang Harvey Norman but dick****s told me to wait till its out. Does anyone here work in a computer shop to save me some time goin askin for a price. Im lookin to move up from XP so need a price for a full version 1 not upgrade.

Cheers
Boyan

[yumafia]

http://www.mcgtech.com.au found it Home Premium $166 full version.

[wadragracing]

They told you to wait till its out? Hope you told them to piss off given they have been advertising on TV with prices. I think upgrade price was like $179? Don't quote me on that though.

[yumafia]

Yeah i saw the upgrade 1 on tv for $169 i think but i wanted a full version 1 so i rang up and they told me to wait until its out but MCG has them in stock already but only basic version the 1 im after is a full version premium that 1 will be out on wednesday for $166 and it aint a crapy upgrade.

[mys1]

either way its still windows..... so meah, ill just stay with crappy xp till i cant take it no more, then ill put vista on wich im sure will run with just as many bugs in time....

[JME]

mac ftw ya!

[TJ]

Ill just wait for someone to hack it, and get it for free.

Thanks Bill!

[ELUSIV]

people still buy software? :S

[yumafia]

i use my pc to run the business as well so i have no choice :D HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Fryman]

corporate volume key hoooooooooooooooo

[Fryman]

ps the only thing macs win is in sound and creating graphics for salmon coloured shirts.

GAY

[yumafia]

ps the only thing macs win is in sound and creating graphics for salmon coloured shirts.

GAY

Well said.

[Niva]

its cheaper to buy vista mail order from the states.

u might wanna reconsider getting vista if its for a buisness dude, as with all new software it has its bugs, and being microsoft... it has lots. also the support for hardware isnt up to scratch, as well as software....

if i needed my pc for anything more than pron and games i wouldnt be upgrading for atleast another 12 months... when they have got the "majority" of sh!t worked out.


below is one of thousands of pages about vistas bugs.. xp was the same when it came out, id just give it time.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402

[JME]

ps the only thing macs win is in sound and creating graphics for salmon coloured shirts.

GAY


I'm quite pround of my salmon coloured shirt....and for reference its true name is peach hazel love drop!!!!!

[Muppet_Guy]

Hmmm, I'm planning to buy a new laptop with Vista in the next 6 months, hopefully serious bugs will be all ironed out by then...

[Niva]

yeh, atleast if u buy one WITH vista, you shouldnt have any hardware or driver issues.

[yumafia]

iTs a bit strange i called up the few pc shops some say cheap prices on vista and some have said 450 for a home premium ed.

[Niva]

just send a school kid in to get it for you, academic version ftw


and in return u can buy him a pack of smokes

[Muppet_Guy]

just send a school kid in to get it for you, academic version ftw


and in return u can buy him a pack of smokes

Haha, that's what I did to get the 50c student fare Transperth smart rider :lol:

[magic1]

corp edition ftw

[Milhouse]

ive had the beta version of vista on my computer for the past few months

if your buying it, that lovely pc you just bought yesterday is going to be an absolute slug running vista...

sub $200 for the software, few extra grand to get just the operating system running smooth :D

stick with XP for the meantime guys, nothing is stable under vista as yet and many things dont have drivers

*nerd mode off*

[tuyen]

Microsoft's "estimated" retail pricing is as follows for the different versions (each with different functionality) of the operating system in Australian dollars:


Home Basic: $385
Home Premium: $455
Business: $565
Ultimate: $751

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Microsoft_details_Aussie_Vista_pricing/0,130061733,339271542,00.htm

[bodybodyrock]

ive said it b4 and ill say it again
i can feel the fast and furious nerd calls coming out haha

[Milhouse]

hahahha i heard on the radio tonight

"BE ONE OF THE FIRST TO GET WINDOWS VISTA @ MIDNIGHT TONIGHT"

that was at dick smiths hahha

bodybodyrock must be a mind reader :D

[Niva]

ive had the beta version of vista on my computer for the past few months

if your buying it, that lovely pc you just bought yesterday is going to be an absolute slug running vista...

sub $200 for the software, few extra grand to get just the operating system running smooth :D

stick with XP for the meantime guys, nothing is stable under vista as yet and many things dont have drivers

*nerd mode off*


exactly, many pc's will meet the requirements on the box but the real ones are far from it, id say a 3.0gig cpu, 128-256gpu, 1gig of ram, 10 terabytes of hdd space..

*nerd mode .. stuck on*

[Milhouse]

yeah, we've got a pretty high spec system at work. and it only rated a 3 out of 5 on the computer rating.

Solitare even requires a high end video card to render the cards - which is a crock of **** if you ask me...

[Niva]

its all a big scheme to get people to upgrade the hardware, just wait until dx10 comes out, thats gonna hurt

[Lonewolf]

we ship out our first laptop with vista soon, will take a looksee...
yes will be big for hardware sales, will be steering clear of it for a while til the first service pack comes out.
still not enough drivers for it either

[Niva]

wich laptop is that? a well know brand? ie dell? or something cheaper? ie ITC
specs?

[Lonewolf]

we're acer resellers (amongst other things)
will be 2ghz+ core duo, 7200rpm hdd, discrete 128mb+ graphics, 1gb DDR2

interested to see how it actually handles vista considering the recommended specs

[Brett_J]

1 gig of RAm,pffft your dreaming,Looking the better part of 2 gig of ram to run smoothly,you know what windows is like for stealing RAM. I had it for around a month before I went back to XP, I couldnt think of any decent reason for it over my copy of XP.

Brett

[SR20WA]

So whats the advantage of going to vista? Why would i spend a few hundred on a operating system, when i could easy go out and spend that money on 6 cartons of corona?

[muniom]

First, don't bother ****ing around with any upgrade versions, from what I hear your going to require an activated version of XP before the upgrade allows install of vista, what a pain in the ass!!

Second, (copied from swa cause i cbf explaining it *again*) - this is for those who want to bitch about performace and RAM.

I agree with the above posts, but before you get too standoffish, read this page, then remember RAM is cheap as chips these days anyway: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05c.asp

"frequently-accessed applications to start up more quickly than is possible on Windows XP. SuperFetch works behind the scenes, examining how you use your PC over time. Then, it prioritizes the caching of applications in RAM based on your usage patterns"


As I have been saying, yes vista does use more ram, but the reason it is doing this is because it is preloading your applications depending on what you are doing, so if its 8am and not many applications are running, and you normally run firefox when you get to work at 8:15am, it caches firefox so that when you DO open it, it loads up lighting fast. However if you have lots of applications running, it won't precache applications because the likelyhood of you opening more is low (therefor you active applications get more ram and run faster). Then if it's 5pm and you are not running many applications (because your about to shut down and go home), it won't precache as many apps so that if you go to shutdown, it shuts down quickly.


If you installed a beta and think you hold a strong argument when you bitch about sluggish performance of the final - your a twat. Of course the beta's had performance issues, they were BETA's, not to mention still full of debugging code, I ran them myself and I know first hand they were slow. I now run Vista final at home, and after a months worth of use it's still faster than my install of XP. The only issues I have had are driver issues because vendors have been slow to develop drivers as of yet.

Finally, my system scores a 3.8 on performance test, can't remember exact specs but it's about 2 years old now (was originally built as a graphic design powerhouse) - still 3.8 out of a 2 year old system though, I'd hardly call that a "scam to force us to upgrade hardware".

[Lonewolf]

yeah, im waiting to see final release, and first service pack before writing it off.
basing an opinion on anything apart from some functionality/feature set on a beta is silly.
i know the beta's we release at work are never optomised, its just for testing of functionality and coding

[SR20WA]

So if your like me and only use the computer for porn, music, car forums and porn. Vista is useless ?

[Niva]

Finally, my system scores a 3.8 on performance test, can't remember exact specs but it's about 2 years old now (was originally built as a graphic design powerhouse) - still 3.8 out of a 2 year old system though, I'd hardly call that a "scam to force us to upgrade hardware".


i agree with most things u said, except that last part. how many peoples pc's were built as a graphics powerhouse? im guessing even by todays standards u still have a pretty decent machine, lots of cpu and ram. probably a matrox graphics card? for a two year old machine to score nearly a 4... it must of bin a very expensive computer at the time.

and also a single component can bring ure whole score down, and ALOT of people use onboard graphics..

[RICEY]

Will mine cope and also play b42142 with everyhting maxed like xp does?

3.0 dual core 2g RAM Nvidia 7800gt 260gb HDD

[RICEY]

And wheres this performance test?

[yumafia]

Hey ill be runnin it on my laptop on home pc it would be a dream as its a Pentium IV 3.2HT thats my gaming machine but my laptop is Centrino M 1.6Ghz and its runnin only 512ram so ill upgrade the ram but graphics is shared so im not 2 sure hows that gonna handle.

[Fryman]

ok lets clear this up

Been running it for over 2 months now. not a beta the RTM.. which is called release to media for a reason. its Final.

Activation process is gonna be a dogs ball experience to get around.

It rocks, but the only reason it does so is THAT WE HAVE BEEN STUCK WITH XP FOR 6 years. Really on a functional level, its not that big of an improvement.

It looks cool, uses direct x 9 to drive the interace, and does some mint stuff, but really its an aesthetic thing. Also built in encryption for the filesystem and spyware defender is good on a corporate level.

Its cool, but i wouldnt pay for it ( or anything you can get for free lol )

[RB20ZED]

well i run xp professional x64 and apparently on the windows site they say something like im entiltled to a upgrade now how do i go about this any ideas.
also windows site says that directx10 comes out with vista :>
My pc isnt to flash but decent should run it no probs.
MSI K8n Diamond Plus Motherboard
AMD x2 4200 watercooled @ 2.9ghz dual core
Giel 2 gig of ram
XFX Extreem 7900gt Graphics Card soon to be 2
ect ect
But yeah if its going to be anything like x64 pro then i might pass on it for a while had so many problems with things not operating under it properly or not at all. But if they have it all sorted im keen for the upgrade, depending on what they offer for x64 users.

[Niva]

wow dude, thats an awsome system, dual cpu and soon to be SLI? nice nice.
one thing i could recomend would be to hold of getting SLI, sell the current 7900gt, and buy the DX10 cards when they come out. they will be PCI-X and will come with dual gpu on one PCB sorta thing. basicly SLI on one card, but dx10.

[Joe]

I tried installing Vista this morning on my system, wont work....Microsoft can go to hell!

Specs:

PIII 800mhz
128mb ram
10gb HDD
64mb graphics

[yumafia]

:lol: shortage of HDD space and RAM

[RB20ZED]

yeah niva were looking at them when i bought my graphics card originally, they had only just come out and were silly prices. But will se how they go the single 7900gt is alright atm seeing i overclocked it abit past what the gtx model is but still i like things to be a little extreem wouldnt mind getting hold of 2x the dual core gfx cards and sli them hahahaha. but yeah been looking all day for how i go about getting my upgrade of windows vista for cheap or whatever and cant find anywhere that says where to apply of what shop to goto ect. Aparently the version im applicable for cheap is the Vista business 64 bit but it comes as a upgrade disk so where do i get this cant expect harvey norman to carry all 17 versions of windows vista really?

[Niva]

haha quad gpu ftw. depending on what brand ure card is u can probably flash the bios to the gtx model, the overclock it even futher as it bumps up the volts and ****. u might even have unlockable pipelines?

with the upgrade version of vista... what happens if u wanna format? do u have to resinstall xp? then upgrade it? that would suck.

[yumafia]

MCG TECH CHEAP AS CHIPS. I ordered today home premium oem for $169 form them and will get it in thursday. I went to harvey norman they want $450 for that amount they can lick my Nu*s and if they swallow they get $5 extra.

[RB20ZED]

yeah not sure how the upgrade one works really id say ur on the ball there niva with having to reinstall everything again. As for the gfx card was a xfx extreem 7900gt so already was factory over clocked but with my motherboard ect it is designed around ever clocking there isn't a single thing i cant change. I usually just set it up on the motherboards overclocking program what overclocks everything if its needed when running graphic intensive **** ect then when its not needed it instantly drops it back down.
Btw just went on ebay have a look at new graphics cards, the new dx10 ones with dual chips ect 750mb card wacky dacky this ect are friggen 1k each and thats ebay price jesus. i bought the 7900 when it first came out wasnt even close to being a 1k but i spoze it was twice the prive of anything else really. just realised my windows can support over 128gig of ram i might have to throw some more on i thinks 4gig will do hahaha...

[Niva]

im still way behind running 1gig ddr400 :( 2 slots, and 2x512 = ftl

hopefully my 6800 will be able to cut it .. shouldnt have any troubles i guess, its flashed to a 6800U and then clocked some.

[RB20ZED]

might have to call mcg as they had the full version of vista ultimate still cheaper than my windows xp pro x64 lol might have to see what they can do

[yumafia]

So far i found Mcg to have best prices on many of their products.

[Niva]

http://www.ple.com.au/?p=products&category_sub_id=1031

PLE normally have pretty good prices, how do they comapre to what u guys have bin quoted?

[Sciflyer]

"Security researcher Alex Ionescu claims to have successfully bypassed the much discussed DRM protection in Windows Vista, called 'Protected Media Path' (PMP), which is designed to seriously degrade the playback quality of any video and audio running on systems with hardware components not explicitly approved by Microsoft. The bypass of the DRM protection was in turn performed by breaking the Driver Signing / PatchGuard protection in the new operating system. Alex is now quite nervous about what an army of lawyers backed by draconian copyright laws could do to him if he released the details, but he claims to be currently looking into the details of safely releasing his details about this at the moment though."

HaXed already! haha

Of course the fact that Vista has such DRM **** is a good reason not to buy it anyway imo.....

[Niva]

unless u just buy a real one.....

for some people its inevertable.. ure just gonna have to buy it.

for others, well...we know what to do

[yumafia]

Guys bought it today, installed it on my laptop runs like a dream and all drivers are working fine so im hapy i would recomend it to everyone very good system been playin around for few hours doesnt seem to run slow. Im runin laptop centrino 1.6, 40gig hdd, 512ram, 64mb shared video and the only program im havin trouble runnin is dvd maker but i never use it anyway.

Good Luck to others, MCG Tech FTW.

[yumafia]

Vista is uninstalled. Money was well spent but drivers were ok and everything the only problem is my old software like nero, zonealarm and other bits and pieces could not work so bought a copy and wont be re-installing it until april-may so there are things available for it. Plus i can claim it all back.

[Muppet_Guy]

That sucks!! I'd install XP and Vista then, and flip back in between if somehting won't work in Vista...

[RB20ZED]

Must admit i had the same problem with xp 64bit and im thinking about buying vista x64 but if it has the same problems i aint to keen definatly when i have alot of usefull software on my pc atm that may not work. Might have to partition my harddrive and install xp 32 bit and vista 64 hrmmmm

[yumafia]

Well to be honest SoarerGuy whats the point havin it installed when i can only use whats there. I have bought it so in few months i can run it and i dont have to worry about buy it than coz it was dirt cheap now and i can claim it back on tax. I re-installed xp-64bit back on my laptop but im only pissed off now i cant find my office xp cd and i need it for work thats the only pain now.

[yumafia]

there is a system check thats available from microsoft for those who wanna move to vista checks your system to make sure you can use all the the features

[RB20ZED]

yeah check came up all good except for my wireless card hahaha could be interesting might go up and buy the 64 bit version of ultimate from mcg its just so far away dammit

[yumafia]

go sunday

[RICEY]

So whats with all the different versions? Whats premium got that the others dont?

[yumafia]

So whats with all the different versions? Whats premium got that the others dont?

alot of visual stuff. Basic is just as plain as xp the premium version has more 3d crap in it thats all where basic is pretty much basic. have a look on microsoft tells u of all different features.

[Niva]

so for those of you lucky enough to be using Vista at the moment, do u know wether u can turn windows updates off completely? seing as there are a few cracks out there for the different version, but MS is releasing updates that fix these.

If i was downloading vista ultimate at the moment (wich im not) (37%) and i planned on using the "frankenbuild" crack, im assuming i can just turn off windows updates and they wont be able to "fix" me....

[yumafia]

Im not 2 sure ay.

[cplagz]

I've been using it at work and I'm really not impressed with it. Give it 6 months til the bugs are ironed out.

The windows folder on a clean install is 6.14gb!

[Niva]

what exactly werent u impressed with? im interested in hearing some feedback

[Sciflyer]

Vista Ultimate average install size - 15 gigs!!!

BLOATWARE

[cplagz]

It's slow on a Core 2 Duo 2gig, its over-inflated with graphics and useless crap. It's crashed on me 3 times in 1 hour, one of the updates refuses to install. Not impressed at all

[yumafia]

I actually think it runs better on P4-HT no probs what so ever. 3.2ghz with 1gig ram, the only thing thats sh|ts me is that they never mentioned that xp software cant be used on vista plus i bought a 32bit vista virsion for that same reason and now i have to wait for all this newsoftware to come out. on my machine it runs same as xp but i got vista home premium so i dunno if its coz it has less crap but runnin wise im happy with it 4 now, i only had few hours to play with it but control panel is abit confusing but ill get use 2 it.

[Muppet_Guy]

SO what, nothing that runs on XP will run on Vista??? No games, no utils, no nothing? Fark that!

[RB20ZED]

i got about 30 of the newest games on my pc and if they aint going to work on vista i wont bother. Let alone all ya anti virus software i pay for ect hrm not to keen now

[yumafia]

SO what, nothing that runs on XP will run on Vista??? No games, no utils, no nothing? Fark that!

Well everything ive tried wouldnt work so as far as i know the software from Xp cant run on Vista unless its vista compatible

[yumafia]

I have zone alarm Security Suite 7.0 that i purchased and it wouldnt work my nero 7 wouldnt work coz the shell file isnt compatible so as far as games go i doubt it

[RB20ZED]

hrm that throws a spanner in the works dont it :<

[Muppet_Guy]

I'll say it again... fark that!

[Sammy]

Im pretty sure there is an option to run it as a windows xp app? Cos i was running BF2142 on Vista... worked fine...

[Niva]

VISTA = DIGITAL ORGASM :boink:

[LNYMRKO]

Aside from a few applications and improvements, its really not that different from XP, besides the visual impact changes, which are damn awesome (including Aero, that rocks). BUT, IMO, they've definately ripped off a whole lot of Mac OSX looks, and functionalities! Microsoft have finally incorporated things that have been in the last two versions of OSX into Vista, to eliminate more need for third party software.. seems they're playing a bit of catch up.

I've just installed Ultimate edition on my work laptop (gotta love having full MSDN packages at work). Mines 32bit, so havn't had any problems in the way of software compatibility or drivers yet. Though the upgrade process from XP to Vista took forever!!

You can compare the different versions of Vista on the Microsoft website, to see what each version has and doesn't have.

My work went to the Vista launch a few months back, with Vista RC2 installed on a 24" iMac... that pissed a fair few people off ;)

This is going to start some fires with a few nerds.. but I don't see a need for a standalone PC now, when I have my iMac running bootcamp and parallels with XP AND Vista on separate partitions. If I ever need to run a Windows only software package, I just turn parallels on and run it, without needing to reboot (with parallels crossovers now, thats even easier.) And best part about it, if I want to play Windows games, I can boot directly into XP, to utilise all the hardware in native mode... I'm with Jme here.. Mac FTW! ;)

[RICEY]

So for someone liek me would Home premium have everyhting I need?

And is there a 32 and a 64 bit version and if so which is better for me and why?

[gazza750]

well i bought a comp from mcg yesterday which came with vista and after f***ing around for 5 hours that system now has xp running on it as i found the vista to be crap for trying to network with our 5 other comps so now i have a oem version of vista home basic for sale for $130 if anyone wants to try it
coz not even the dvd program that came with the dvd rom /burner would install none of my spyware antivirus or firewall stuff would run with it either

[yumafia]

32bit Vista was recomended to me by the people at mcg tech