Found 20 light years away - The new planet Earth

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_page_id=1965&in_article_id=450467

[Twe12ve]

man awesome find! by the time we fuck up earth's resources we should be able to move there huh! nice one mate!

[Sully]

that 20 light years bit presents a little bit of a problem though hey

[Brockas]

hahahaha no Brendan.

It would take us over 1500 years to reach that planet, unless we develop some form of anti-matter propulsion (read: Highly unlikely).

The earth's resources aren't simply going to 'run out'. Energy is conserved, matter is transformed into different forms. Our technology will improve as it becomes a neccessity to do so.

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I think the fascination in the planets discovery lies not in the fact of viewing it as an option to visit or migrate to (because we obviously cannot), but the fact that we may discover other forms of life and that are within a reasonable range to attempt contact via electronic means.

[Thodd]

*enter x - files theme music here*

[Twe12ve]

hahahaha no Brendan.

It would take us over 1500 years to reach that planet, unless we develop some form of anti-matter propulsion (read: Highly unlikely).

The earth's resources aren't simply going to 'run out'. Energy is conserved, matter is transformed into different forms. Our technology will improve as it becomes a neccessity to do so.

worlds knowledge and technology doubles every 12 years. i dont see it as impossible either. when/if resources run out/planet gets too polluted, it might take 300years plus. by then who is to say that the ability to fold space/travel faster than light wont be feasible?

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Dude it's more of a case that our body's cannot travel at the speed of light, not the ability to create the technology which I am sure is possible.

Wormholes ftw!

[Twe12ve]

hence why i said..."folding space" - nothing to do with lightspeed and the human body.

[Muppet_Guy]

Where's Einstein when you need him?!?! :lol:

[DRKWRX]

our bodys can travel at the speed of light its how long it takes to get to the speed of light safely for humans will take too long. Fuk that planet anyways theres probaly shit all there lol

[Brockas]

worlds knowledge and technology doubles every 12 years. i dont see it as impossible either. when/if resources run out/planet gets too polluted, it might take 300years plus. by then who is to say that the ability to fold space/travel faster than light wont be feasible?

If thats teh case then options far closer than this planet will arise. Colonization of the moon/mars is far more realistic than 'folding space' and travelling to this new planet.

Beleive it or not Uranus appears to have a water table below the surface, frozen as ice.

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Thread cleaned - Try stay on topic please dudes :)

[mr_mike]

Any1 who has seen Total Recall will know that mars is where we r all gonna go and holiday/live/sex aliens in the future!!

[Niva]

they probly know we have found them

[Morgs]

Its good news for potential future generations, due to various factors, life will not be indefinately sustainable for the human place on one planet alone

[SLEEKA]

where did 1500yrs come from? I think i worked out a while back that it would take 2 months to reach the speed of light without the acceleration causing to many g's, and the g forces i used was close to the level experience to the highest g-force pulling rollercoaster in the world so an uncomfortable ride. So once that was reached it would take 20yrs to get there.

Either way that thing has twice the gravity of earth so unless your built like the governator you will be struggling to hold yourself up..

[DRKWRX]

that will be good a planet without fat lazy people haha will be the Alpha planet!

[Brockas]

where did 1500yrs come from? I think i worked out a while back that it would take 2 months to reach the speed of light without the acceleration causing to many g's, and the g forces i used was close to the level experience to the highest g-force pulling rollercoaster in the world so an uncomfortable ride. So once that was reached it would take 20yrs to get there.
Travelling at the speed of light is a physical unknown. The total energy of a system is directly related to the mass of an object and the speed of light. It's suggested that at the speed of light, you would be invisible to an on-looker, and also not able to view from within the object (think about it, you see something and you're travelling at the speed of light towards it, by the time you see it, you're already colliding with it).

You're forgetting that space isn't empty. "Space-dust" does exist, as do gravitational 'wells' etc etc. Flying fast enough through phenomena such as these would rip any ship into pieces.

[DRKWRX]

yep well it looks like we are stuck here! I was looking forward to seeing this new planet too :lol:

[Roobiks]

Where's Einstein when you need him?!?! :lol:

That smart arse is probly there already.





I like the folding space idea.. Movie spec.


In reality the way someone will find to get there might be something 100000% not what anyone expected.


I scratch my mind.

[Niva]

and wonder why there is no bone or tissue to stop u doing so?

[Brockas]

Folding space is a novel idea, but the actual mathematics of it is mind-boggling.

Firstly you have to assume that all matter in this 3 dimensional universe is alligned along a horizontal plane.
Secondly, that something can manipulate this matter in such a way that the matter compresses in the middle to bring the ends of the plane of space closer together.
Thirdly, that it's possible to transfer matter between the two ends of the 'folded' space in a direct 'line of sight' type of movement. Which in itself sounds impossible. Moving matter through a point in space which is devoid of anything including light.

What's interesting is that space as we know it is not exactly 'empty'. Light reaches almost every point in our known galaxy, which is a type of radiation.
The universe is expanding at the speed of light, and it's expanding into areas which technically don't exist yet.

And funnily enough I'm procrastinating because I don't want to do this physics assignment ....

[jagerbomb]

haha brockas havin an astrophysics vent cos theres nuthin better u can really do wif all that information????

thats wat u get for studying nanotech u smart fuk! haha

btw u probly dont know ebough about that stephen hawking- wacked sht to be ruling out possibilities.

apperently the expanding universe resembles something like holey cheese...

im here all week. cheers :wave:

[RICEY]

All that brain power and still didnt know he had a disco happening every time he selected Reverse hahahahahhahahahaha

[Brockas]

hahahaha! yeh man shit's tripping me out.

stephen hawking must be on some good shit.

[Skitzo]

far out. thats some in depth shit. and might i add quite interesting.

[Brockas]

All that brain power and still didnt know he had a disco happening every time he selected Reverse hahahahahhahahahaha

God I hate you. hahahaha

[RICEY]

:p

[wadragracing]

Bah, the Earth will survive, we will adapt. There will be some wars and shit, hopefully wipe out most of the world's population.

Global warming is fuck all in an Earth context. It buggers us up a little but other than that the Earth couldn't give a fuck. Some other little critter will evolve and take over, life goes on.

Do a burnout and enjoy life.

[Miami]

btw u probly dont know ebough about that stephen hawking- wacked sht to be ruling out possibilities.

apperently the expanding universe resembles something like holey cheese...

The really interesting question is what's causing the holes in the cheese?? :confused:

And Luke, don't get me started on global warming....biggest con ever, and now being used as a fundraising exercise by Gore et al and an excuse for all sorts of taxes and levies by govts worldwide.

[ben351]

Dirty fukcing Kiwis that take " your friend in the fridge " too far

[adrenalin]

Dirty fukcing Kiwis that take " your friend in the fridge " too far

LOL !

yea pretty interesting read. In the future wont be able to do burnouts. Have to drop left and right thrusters

[wadragracing]

LOL !

yea pretty interesting read. In the future wont be able to do burnouts. Have to drop left and right thrusters
Nah there will still be burnouts but instead you will use the afterburner. Bunky Commodore space ships will have twin engines but only light one afterburner, continuing the much-loved single pegger.
And we'll start dropping light speed.

[xr06t]

hahahahahha

[Joe]

There is a bloody easy way to get there.

Call the cops and tell them that someone is doing a burnout on the planet Gliese 581c. They'll get there within 30 seconds.

[adrenalin]

thats if they can get there and if people arent nanna driving in the right hand lane

[Brockas]

Bah, the Earth will survive, we will adapt. There will be some wars and shit, hopefully wipe out most of the world's population.

Global warming is fuck all in an Earth context. It buggers us up a little but other than that the Earth couldn't give a fuck. Some other little critter will evolve and take over, life goes on.

Do a burnout and enjoy life.

Exactly.

Y2K, Bird Flu, SARS, Global Warming. All same.

All issues which are real, but blown waaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.


As for Al Gore, anyone seen latest South Park episodes?
All he wants is a bit of attention.

[impreza_GT]

travelling at the speed of light, it would still take 400 years to get....

Fark nows how they can see it

[Joe]

Its actually 20 light years, which is a shitload closer than 400

[impreza_GT]

just quoting what i heard on the radio "at speed of light still take 400 years"...

i dont know, wont see anything in my lifetime thats for sure!

[VERY]

haha i like how everyone has focused on "us getting THERE"... whats more disconcerting is the concept/possibility of 'them getting here'... as the article explained, that star is one of the oldest and most stable in the galaxy, with life having had billions of years to develop - so thats potentially billions of years more than us... anyone care to imagine (setting aside negative cataclysmic or self destructive potentials) where we and/or our technology might be in another billion years!? So yeah the fact that we've just discovered the potential of this planet in the last couple of days, and its now broadcasting out over the airwaves for them to pick up on... well there is that little niggle of suspense that some dude in power on that planet has just gone... "ok fellas - they've finally worked out we're here over on Earth - lets go say hi to our new neighbours".... rollout the welcome mat fellas :P

[Brockas]

Fark nows how they can see it

Well thats the interesting bit.

What we can see through a telescope is actually the past.

Like thunder, you hear it way after you see the light. Well the image the scientists have viewed is actually from 20 years ago on that planet.


This is why we're still seeing stars in our night sky that don't actually exist any more.



Gliese 581, which this planet (Gliese 581c) orbits around, is actually part of the constellation Libra and is one of the 100 closest stars to earth.

It's estimated that there are 600 billion stars.

As you can imagine, the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe is almost a given.

[ben351]

i love it when you talk dirty

[Jazza]

I completely love this shit. Its SO interesting!
The smart arse burnout comment made me piss myself, that was fkn funny.

The amount of energy required to get anywhere near the speed of light is crazy let alone the cost in researching, developing and funding a project like that. If that planet is that much older than us and that close and thus life may of evolved like our's has, why havn't they already seen us and gotten to us... or one of the other many potential planets we haven't seen that maybe similar to earth in temps/gravity/climate etc
Still its pretty amazing find and really gives you hope there could be some sort of life out there!

[RICEY]

I cant understand how ppl refuse to believe there is alien life out there somewhere. With an infinate space around us, how could there not be?

[Joe]

There has to be.

Remember that thread that Lyndon (i think) posted up a while ago about how big the universe was??

There is a bloody good chance that there is another planet out there similar to ours.

[Syncope]

Because there has never been any proof?

I mean, i think there is something else out there also, but dodgy 1am outer space channel 9 shows aside, there has never been any concrete evidence otherwise.

[Joe]

How could there be evidence of it, when we are barely able to see a planet 20 light years away?

There are planets that are millions of light years away, not to mention everything in between....we cant see them and the evidence is still hundreds or thousands of years away from reaching us (as Brockas mentioned, the images we see from outer space are from the past).

[Syncope]

So its not possible for other life forms to exist in the past?

[DRKWRX]

and like it has already been said the Gravity is twice as heavy as ours so there gonna be strong mofos that will kick our ass!!

[Joe]

So its not possible for other life forms to exist in the past?

No, they could have lived in our past....they could have lived 4000 years ago, but if they are 10,000 light years away, we still wouldn't have seen them yet, because the "images" of them take 10,000 years to appear to us (due to the speed of light).

[Syncope]

Damn, we "just" missed them then!

I mean its all interesting, but are just too many theories.

[Jazza]

and like it has already been said the Gravity is twice as heavy as ours so there gonna be strong mofos that will kick our ass!!

Hahahah quality but also very true..

[Miami]

If that planet is that much older than us and that close and thus life may of evolved like our's has, why havn't they already seen us and gotten to us...

Maybe cos we're not worth their time??

Why dont we bother learning to communicate meaningfully with animals on our own planet?? Cos we consider ourselves mentally and culturally superior, existing on a completely different plane of intelligence. Nothing to say we're the pinnacle...and plenty to say we're not.

Shano's cheerful thought for the day :)

[Passage GT]

well said shane and a good point
as for gravity being twice as strong as ours of course they'll be strong
just look at goku and peekachu from dragonball
they train in gravity chambers and kick everyone's ass!
we need to make gravity chambers to grow stronger :werd:

[VERY]

we need to make gravity chambers to grow stronger :werd:

lol that cracked me up :lol:

[Milhouse]

isnt pikachu a pokemon trav ?

[Mistikal]

Fark nows how they can see it

What they see in their telescope is already 20.5 years old. Think about it. It would take light, 20.5 years, to reach us if it bounced off that planet.

In Star Trek, it'd probably take Kirk and his lot about half a week to get there.

andy

[Brockas]

What they see in their telescope is already 20.5 years old. Think about it. It would take light, 20.5 years, to reach us if it bounced off that planet.

we've kinda already established that andy!

check last page.

[Mistikal]

I didn't see the 2nd Page until after I had already quoted him, couldn't be f'ked editing :)

andy

[DRKWRX]

Ok well I have been drinking I just thought that its thats so! they could have already come here and lived here (Atlantis) then killed themselves off and decided its not worth coming back :lol: would explain the pyramids haha

[confuzion]

crazy stuff hey, so amazing.. definatley gotta be life out there, pingpingpingpings with 5 arms n shit..
Discovering planets and then realising the image is from 20 years ago kinda sucks - we will never get there i reckon

[Niva]

for all we know earth could be an undiscoverd planet to the rest of the unviverse.

star wars type shit could be happening in different parts of space .. how long before someone finds us? and when they do we will skip hundreds maybe thousands of years of tech evolution... thats some crazy shit right there.

picure it: one day a space ship comes, kunt hops out and says who the fuck are these cave men. u guys wanna come see the good shit.

HELLO DOWNLOADABLE BITCHES

[abuse]

I completely love this shit. Its SO interesting!
The smart arse burnout comment made me piss myself, that was fkn funny.

The amount of energy required to get anywhere near the speed of light is crazy let alone the cost in researching, developing and funding a project like that. If that planet is that much older than us and that close and thus life may of evolved like our's has, why havn't they already seen us and gotten to us... or one of the other many potential planets we haven't seen that maybe similar to earth in temps/gravity/climate etc
Still its pretty amazing find and really gives you hope there could be some sort of life out there!

they probably found somewhere worthwile to go to,

[Roobiks]

yeah those pingpingpingpings have probly got R47 GTR 12 litre deca-turbo skylines by now imo

[Passage GT]

isnt pikachu a pokemon trav ?
haha no idea dude, sounded right at the time, i'm too lazy to google it:P

[Onijin]

If you described a nuclear bomb to someone in the early part of the 20th century (say 1901) and how it would be used over 40 years from then, they would most likely try and have you chucked in the loony bin. What's to say we can't develop something that'll travel at the speed of light or beyond? As for the speed of light itself, I reckon its a load of crap that that is the maximum speed limit possible and that with sufficient energy, you could go a lot faster than that. The consequences may not be fun for organisms, but it could be possible.

I reckon if it did come down to it, there would have to be some sort of warp-gate system that allows for high speed travel through space (like an interstellar highway of sorts) that uses force fields to block out or deflect large objects like asteroids (or blast them into small pieces with a high-powered energy weapon of some sort) to allow high-speed travel without being obliterated as a result of hitting something fairly substantial at ultra-high speeds.

[Brockas]

You're right, the speed of light is just a speed (299792458m/s), however the total energy contained in a mass is directly related to the speed of light (Einstein's famous equation).

It's theorized that matter travelling at the speed of light ceases to be matter, and becomes pure energy, possibly travelling in a wave-like form.

I've always wondered that if we were able to reach that speed, and transform matter into energy waves, then we would be able to send those waves at the speed of light through matter (walls etc). Once passed through the matter, if it were possible to slow the waves (which it currently isn't), the energy waves would convert back into the matter it previously was.

Using it on people = Instant travel. That would be cool.

[DRKWRX]

They say that time isnt fixed and we only understand time here in that way, doesnt Time stand still once you hit the speed of light too? I watched a documentary about scientists making time machines and this once in America was trying to make one using lasers and stuff very interesting and he said that you wouldnt be able to go into the past before the machine was made but he said that once it works he could be sending himself stuff back from the future :lol: but how does that work that means were dead already lol

[Roobiks]

if you could go faster then light (ie faster then you could see) then you could get to somewhere before your seen there... so if we could travel to this planet in say 18 light years... we'd be there for 2 years before earth could see us there... thus going into the future.


imo, time is only relevent to YOU. if people start traveling faster then light, then peoples relevent times will differ.

[DRKWRX]

but how can we physically be in the future if were here now? there is only 1 of us.

[mr_mike]

hmmm i believe there is alot of ppl on antilag who were huge nerds in school then have left highschool got a performance car and reinvented themselves hehehe

then again they might all still b nerds

[Roobiks]

but how can we physically be in the future if were here now? there is only 1 of us.

nah wasnt saying your in the future and here.. one or the other lol

[Brockas]

then again they might all still b nerds
Correct.

Done a unit on Astrophysics at uni, and now doing quantum mechanics.

[mc68]

Mathematics of Wonton Burrito meals...Ill be there!

[RB20ZED]

ah well we all know you cant travel through space without ur towel

[bodybodyrock]

or condoms, mum's always told me to take protection with me at all times