Dutton 2008

[adrenalin]

Just wondering who is planning on entering.

Just saw the forms are available

[kneedtotinkle]

when is it?

i might be keen if car is here by then

[adrenalin]

July 23rd - 25th

[FranZ]

*raises hand*

[kneedtotinkle]

I'm down, whats the costs? besides $4500 for 20 inch r comps...

[adrenalin]

is it 2.5 k for driver or 3.1k for dri + co driv ?

Its aroun that

[Miss_Cate]

Are you serious!?

[Brockas]

http://www.duttonrally.com/_assets/A...EST%202008.pdf

Driver only - $2375
Driver + co - $3175


If two of you are entering, the idea is to budget for around $5.5k for the weekend including tyres.

Little bit more if you need to prep your car for track work.



I've paid my deposit already. Myself and a co-driver will be competing.

[Fryman]

done and done.. im going solo this year paid up fully look out super computers i hope it doesnt rain

[kneedtotinkle]

think i may either take the wife and scare her shitless or go han solo

[adamjohnson]

think i may either take the wife and scare her shitless or go han solo

You never drive 2 up and your wife would be required to drive the car solo.

If she's anything like my missus, I wouldn't let her near anything with a turbo. It'd be like this......Nothing, nothing, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSTT, CRASH........(I bought her a 1.6L, 1500kg, 78kw Beetle and she thinks it's fast)..

[TJ]

That most likely because you threw 10k of overnight parts from japan in it and didnt tell her.

P.S Ive never seen her drive it, but you a few times.

Something you wanna share?

[Mad_Aussie]

Hmmm *contemplates entering the Cecil Van*

Maybe when I get my new car.

[kneedtotinkle]

not that the m3 was quick compared to the past cars, but she used to drive it every day when i got the 34R. I thinks me might go solo in the 35R as i she cant get on the policy...

[T-Diddy]

want to enter atm
may be hopes an dreams
need a car
an co driver

but im working on it..

[joshg123]

Owain wants me to do it lol, no chance im gonna get the cars problems sorted before then

[Nizmo]

I'm entering the 350 with co-driver. Should be a really fun weekend. Haven't officially submitted the entrance forms yet though.

[Volatile Rob]

Is there any actual road racing in these events or is it all AHG/Barbs etc?

Rob

[bjohnson]

Is there any actual road racing in these events or is it all AHG/Barbs etc?

Rob

No road racing in the Dutton.

Have to enter Targa for that.

[Volatile Rob]

Sweet... I'll be entering both anyways...

[bjohnson]

Have a car sorted (borrowed FTMFW!)

Entering solo provided I can get the entry fee together in time.

[adamjohnson]

Have a car sorted (borrowed FTMFW!)

Entering solo provided I can get the entry fee together in time.


You're paying for tyres too remember.........

[TJ]

The dak dak?

Please tell me a johnson will race be racing a dakker!

[kneedtotinkle]

R34 R is officially back together ladies and gents, so i shall be doing thisw event HAN SOLO....

[Volatile Rob]

Dutton Entry Deposit paid... New Car arriving around May 10th... fingers crossed all goes well.

Looking forward to a great weekend!

Rob

[Tre-Cool]

For you guys that have your cams license what club are you going through?

I'd rather not go through the wascc, as the likely hood of me taking my car to wanners is slim to nill.

[ED40]

if u only need s2 to enter, i got mine through www.nolimitevents.com
great bunch of guys there.

[Rhys]

johnson you best be doing it in the 211

[DISTRBD]

Both 31s entered ... My co driver never driven our car at speed or done a race event so should be fun to watch :eek3:

[Brockas]

33R is entered, will be sorting accom etc tomorrow.

Get onto this people!

[BassMstr]

Be an experience driving this year rather than watching...

Better find some L plates for the car too :wave:

[FranZ]

For you guys that have your cams license what club are you going through?

I'd rather not go through the wascc, as the likely hood of me taking my car to wanners is slim to nill.


www.allfours.org.au or
www.nolimitevents.com

[DISTRBD]

Be an experience driving this year rather than watching...

Better find some L plates for the car too :wave:


:lol:

[JME]

Co-driving on the dark side this year.

[Fryman]

change of signature is in order my furry friend

[gerrin]

33R is entered, will be sorting accom etc tomorrow.

Get onto this people!

great looks like im taking some time off work to go save a whale

[bjohnson]

www.allfours.org.au or
www.nolimitevents.com

No proof of membership with nolimits.

I'm still waiting to hear back from all fours (already a nolimits member) but need club licence sorted for autotest.

also,
definitely too poor for a duttons this year.

[Brockas]

great looks like im taking some time off work to go save a whale

hahaha I hope not...

[JME]

change of signature is in order my furry friend

Not at all, still stands true, however it will make a driver a great driver in its process :D

[GTRgav]

No proof of membership with nolimits.

I'm still waiting to hear back from all fours (already a nolimits member) but need club licence sorted for autotest.

also,
definitely too poor for a duttons this year.

No Limits have their membership cards out now - just see Tracey next time you're at an event.

[gerrin]

hahaha I hope not...

remember you last famous quote about not needing a tow truck

[Brett_J]

Wait till you find out who his dodgy mechanic is, be lucky to see the tarmac at all :)

[Brockas]

LOL

Backyard mechanics at its finest!

[Brett_J]

I have a toolbox full of magic and dragons, Teh GTR will nevar lose!

[Lonewolf]

nissan engineering = hit it harder.

[DISTRBD]

nissan engineering = hit it harder.

Use same method for tuning :lol:

[Brockas]

I have a toolbox full of magic and dragons, Teh GTR will nevar lose!

We're dining on fine Iguana for the weekend...

[Brett_J]

We're dining on fine Iguana for the weekend...

Good, coz I could never eat a whole one by myself

[bjohnson]

No Limits have their membership cards out now - just see Tracey next time you're at an event.

Cheers!

That's going to be a timesaver.
Still no reply from All Fours.

[FranZ]

Where'd you send the email to Ben?

[bjohnson]

Where'd you send the email to Ben?

committee@allfours.org.au
Sent it on the 26th.

I might have the wrong account?

[FranZ]

Hrmm, I, along with the committee members receive those emails and didn't see anything come through. Send it through again if you like...

[Denver]

Well the rally wagon survived albany on the weekend, so its prep time for dutton, bring it on i say

[Fryman]

so..

dutton is this weekend.time to revive this thread

whos in!

what are you driving?

do you have the electronic aids?

implore all fans of motorsport to attend and watch the many events that are on from collie to wanneroo. Come say hi to the kids that are passionate about their peddling

http://www.charitymods.org/files/WAeventschedule08.pdf

is the schedule...

[DISTRBD]

Both 31s are ready for action :yum:

[JME]

Yep the AYC electronic talent mobile is 95% ready. I actually get some seat time this week prior to the event WOOHOO.

[ben351]

dont stress if the passender side of the car still smells like arse .... its just Rrob and his poor diet

Rrob - Steve pull my finger

Steve - fuck off

Rrob - Ben pull my fing*Ben pulls finger*

Rrob - farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

Steve - *jumps out of car quicker than and ejector seat*

[T rexx]

so..

implore all fans of motorsport to attend and watch the many events that are on from collie to wanneroo. Come say hi to the kids that are passionate about their peddling

http://www.charitymods.org/files/WAeventschedule08.pdf



So had a look at that and this website

http://www.duttonrally.com/ev-wa.php

wouldnt mind coming to see the Gloster Park stage

Know nothing about Dutton Rally and there was nothing on spectators I could find on the website.

Do I just rock up to Gloster Park Carpark or are tickets required?

Graham

[ben351]

spectate for free mate ... stnad along the fence line

[kneedtotinkle]

hahahaha, look forward to seeing poochi dump the clutch in the lanevo. If he can get his ass in the seat.....

Good luck to all!

See you on the weekend peoples.



OH







































DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONE!

[Denver]

rex is ready to rumble, its even got straight pannels again

bring on friday

[adrenalin]

Will be there sat and maybe fri morning to speccy and will be armed with Camera.

Good luck to all entrants !

[dtcng]

rex is ready to rumble, its even got straight pannels again

bring on friday

even the rear 1/4? nice work muscles

[T-Diddy]

spectating i am
an filming an photoing an whatever else

should be a good weekend.. is it bad i want it too RAIIIIIIINNN

[Denver]

even the rear 1/4? nice work muscles
its semi fixed, that requires someone with more tools than a hammer, some wood, and a sciscor jack..

[DISTRBD]

Thought you be the perfect tool Denver :p

[Spektor]

So had a look at that and this website

http://www.duttonrally.com/ev-wa.php

wouldnt mind coming to see the Gloster Park stage

Know nothing about Dutton Rally and there was nothing on spectators I could find on the website.

Do I just rock up to Gloster Park Carpark or are tickets required?

GrahamThat information is a little hidden in the website unfortunately, under Forms

Spectator Information
http://www.duttonrally.com/_assets/WAinfo08.pdf

[JME]

Drove today, game on this weekend!!!!

[magic1]

cams lic arrived today, that was close!

[Denver]

mine hasn't arrived yet, well my new race lic anyway, was meant to be in fridays mail, hope its here tomorrow..

[Brockas]

cams lic arrived today, that was close!

Nice.

Car's ready too :)

Fixed all problems with it today! (Cheers Brett!)

[Lonewolf]

might come to the plex for a look and to take some pics

[ben351]

You kunts should make a thread and put pics up of the car your running with a small run down of the specs ...

[JME]

EVO 9MR, carbon fibre fantastic, 2.6L big block, bubble gum fuel.

[TJ]

EVO 9MR, carbon fibre fantastic, 2.6L big block, bubble gum fuel.

EJ25 with an overbore? - damn they split as it is, so be careful !

[cplagz]

EJ25 with an overbore? - damn they split as it is, so be careful !

Mitsubishi with a Subaru motor? That's a new one!


Good luck to all this weekend, hoping to make it out to one event to take a looksee.

[ben351]

EVO 9MR, carbon fibre fantastic, 2.6L big block, bubble gum fuel.


are Steve's instructional stickers still on the inside of the windscreen

[Fryman]

2007 fanta pants toyota mr2 in off with chinese forged magnesium wheels and coke in a glass bottle

[DISTRBD]

Im running 1989 r31 GXE .. mods include removal of towbar n roobar , spinner hubcaps n chrome valve caps .. its RED so it is fast :naughty:

[Denver]

1988 subaru brumby, with a free flowing exhuat, and ive ditched the factory carb for a holley with a holley red fuel pump, and upgraded fuel lines...

[Fryman]

brockas (since he hasnt piped up) is running a 33gtst with china brakes, 400r front bar,monkey bars out the back, ricer decals and the backfire issit kekeke

[DISTRBD]

brockas (since he hasnt piped up) is running a 33gtst with china brakes, 400r front bar, ricer decals and the backfire issit kekeke

China ALCOONS

[Fryman]

You kunts should make a thread and put pics up of the car your running with a small run down of the specs ...


and off memory since steve jones has declined to comment is the end of the story

[Brockas]

brockas (since he hasnt piped up) is running a 33gtst with china brakes, 400r front bar,monkey bars out the back, ricer decals and the backfire issit kekeke

hahaha!


Do what Steve did at no limits, put the car down as a "Lada Niva".

[ben351]

Suzuki Jimny

[DISTRBD]

Our 2nd Dutton car is a 87 GXE r31 .. only a few hp less then Brockas 33 GTS-4 :hahano:

[Brockas]

hahaha

time for burnouts issit.


3 more sleeps!

[DISTRBD]

Both 31s are ready to battle ..:yum:

Also thanks Andy n crew from Hyperdrive , they worked there butts off to have new 26 built n ready for this weekend ;) .. ohh n Mayhem for being parts delivery bitch

[kneedtotinkle]

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

TRY NOT TO BREAK SHIT!

Go Poochi and Mr Jones! Lanevo FTMFW!

[[FFOUR]]

Go Evo.

[jonn]

Good luck at all.
Will be down at AHG on Sat for a squizz.

[Rhys]

Interesting first day.
Somehow Pauls car still in one peice although with driving miss daisy as co-driver not likely to break, 34 GTR from NSW with smashed front diff housing, 32 GTR with bent rear suspension, Stevo with gearbox issues, Lukian getting over taken by an Integra ;).
Some awesome driving by Matt Cherry as usual, proving evo's can do BURNOUTS.
Geezus Gav Beer's car is quick on the track and can certainly pedal
Looking foward to tommoz, hopefully weather holds off a little like it did today

[DISTRBD]

Interesting first day.
Somehow Pauls car still in one peice although with driving miss daisy as co-driver not likely to break, 34 GTR from NSW with smashed front diff housing, 32 GTR with bent rear suspension, Stevo with gearbox issues, Lukian getting over taken by an Integra ;).
Some awesome driving by Matt Cherry as usual, proving evo's can do BURNOUTS.
Geezus Gav Beer's car is quick on the track and can certainly pedal
Looking foward to tommoz, hopefully weather holds off a little like it did today


32 snapped cradle mounts , just fitted another 1 n on our way again :boink:

[MRO]

Is there anywhere you can download spectator information from for this event.

Duttonrally.com site is fkn useless. I just want to find the spectator points for tomorrow - shouldnt be that hard!

[[FFOUR]]

http://www.duttonrally.com/_assets/WAinfo08.pdf

[DRKWRX]

sweet should be at barbs on sunday takin pics!

[ADZ]

Just got back from workshop..

Snowy (SMAUG) munched the spline teeth in the front diff of the 34 gtr.. boys pulled together and are currently refitting one of jones/ants spares - sums up the spirit of dutton!

Jones/paluch 4th outright day 1 *paluch got wet weather all of arvo events*

[TJ]

Top 3?

Surely the Cherry Evo is up there, that thing is a monster.

[SimonR32]

Just got back from workshop..

Snowy (SMAUG) munched the spline teeth in the front diff of the 34 gtr.. boys pulled together and are currently refitting one of jones/ants spares - sums up the spirit of dutton!

Jones/paluch 4th outright day 1 *paluch got wet weather all of arvo events*

LOL, no podium again!!!

[B0BB0]

LOL, no podium again!!!

Not everyone can be like you and be on the podium marbles!!!

Too bad your is for being the first person the contract AIDS in Antilag

[zeroyon]

was good to watch.

got some vids going up.

first one -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMUK7pMoFYw

Recomend you click "watch in high quality"

[adrenalin]

Didnt hang around for too long. Spoke to Glen \ Rhys \ Tyson for a bit.

Some pics from dutton

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1017.JPG

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1018.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1019.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1021.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1023.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1026.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1037.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1044.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1056.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1067.jpg

http://members.ii.net/~herrald/Dutton08/DSC_1081.jpg

[DISTRBD]

Both cars still runing so im happy ... time to drink

[DCIEVE]

was good to watch.

got some vids going up.

first one -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMUK7pMoFYw

Recomend you click "watch in high quality"

looks like a fair bit of mechanical sympathy there! can almost here em thinking must not break haha

[zeroyon]

most people seemed to be taking it easy on the drag strip.

Also the strip looked more slipey then I have ever seen it.

Another vid

--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJerMSVEOA

[zeroyon]

One more vid.

Pretty sure this is franz ? someone correct me if I am wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrVS710jPlQ

The rest will go up in one batch :)
..

[DRKWRX]

lol have u met barry?? sticker

[zeroyon]

and the rest :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=52cT15ZhfIE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YVbtaZ3-MLg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=30Fzs3sZSc0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y9cXouJW_kc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oPR4NYGvj0w

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mBoWiXMZc1I

http://youtube.com/watch?v=97pyqlgLha0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VtJd6HlQlxA

..

[cplagz]

Did that white 997 run a 12.1 ?

The GTR? next to it seemed to struggle hard for traction.

[iluv2moan]

heard that gav put gtr into wall at barbs :(

[wadragracing]

I feel sorry for them, I can imagine the track would have been slippery as! They're probably the first cars to run on it in two months. Good times considering.

[Evilteddy]

Did that white 997 run a 12.1 ?

The GTR? next to it seemed to struggle hard for traction.

Paul Cornes(/spelling) r33 GTST... thing is a monster... It would struggle for traction on nearly any surface i reckon :(

[Sully]

They're probably the first cars to run on it in two months.

aaahh.. no..... there's stuff out on the track every week. the truck racing meet was just last weekend and pretty much every class that races with wascc was out

[Brute]

aaahh.. no..... there's stuff out on the track every week. the truck racing meet was just last weekend and pretty much every class that races with wascc was out

I think you'll find he was refering to kwinana not Barbs.

[Sully]

aah touche!

[Boza]

heard that gav put gtr into wall at barbs :(

wrong, jai phillips put gavs car into wall...

[DCIEVE]

was obv over the back of the track but how did it happen? big sand runoffs everywhere..

[Evilteddy]

Came out of CRED corner, then because of the wet track the back kicked as he went right to go over the hill... pretty hard to wrestle it back with the way the track was today...

Few other drivers were commenting they had the same taily rear ends out of CRED...

Not sure if that's 100% correct how it happened...

[TJ]

Well with no great surprise to anyone, Lukian ripped about 25 nuts and got thrown out of Glouster, awesome work :D

Great to see everyone enjoying their cars!

Silver R33 GTR is a monster.

Fingers crossed Steve and Jme pulled a win off.

[ben351]

I HEART YOU LOOPIAN

[TJ]

Also - massive LOL @ B0BB0 - otherside of the capark, a good 150m away, over running cars, and a car out on track.

Scotty's 32 spins so he gets on it and bags up ... and one word pierces all the noise...

BURRNNNNNNNNNNOUT!!

[Joe]

Sounds like a fuckin bombed weekend....spewing I missed it, have been quite out of the loop the last month :(

[Spektor]

Came out of CRED corner, then because of the wet track the back kicked as he went right to go over the hill... pretty hard to wrestle it back with the way the track was today...

Few other drivers were commenting they had the same taily rear ends out of CRED...

Not sure if that's 100% correct how it happened...I was marshalling at tower 3 but unfortunately I didn't see it. Just have to wait for Jai to fill us all in.

[[FFOUR]]

Well done to Steve J and Franz for 1st and 2nd in drivers outright, and Blaise for his 2nd place in Co-Driver.

Evos 1st-5th in overall driver, 1st-3rd in crew and 1st in co-driver. I'm proud, think I need to get out there next year!

[RICEY]

wrong, jai phillips put gavs car into wall...

Hope hes covering the repair bill !!

[TJ]

Fuck yer, well done to Steve and Franz, the silver Evo Franz was driving seemed to be a rapid bit of gear this arvo.

Jan, what order were the teams?

Palooch and Steve 1st?

[[FFOUR]]

Sadly not.

8 Peter Gazzard/ Jeff Beaumont 2006 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 529 1
6 Martin Notaras/ David Finnimore MITSUBISHI TBA 627 2
34 Steven Jones/ Jamie Paolucci 2006 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 MR 693 3
17 Andrew Richmond/ Blaise Paris 1999 NISSAN GT-R 748 4
38 Franz Esterbauer/ Danny Cerro 2005 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 766 5

http://www.duttonrally.com/results/2008/wa/DRA_WA08_Outright_Crew.pdf

[TJ]

Damn... at least they didnt come 4th!

The Gazzard Evo is mental though with its 2.3l and all the carbon bits lexan etc. Pretty much Steve car is the same minus the power bits.

I saw the Notaras evo when I was at superlap and thought for some reason it seemed slow. Those words are gladly eaten.

Awesome comeback for the glued front diff 34 with Blaise and Andrew.

[[FFOUR]]

A couple of pics from today..

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/927/dutton2008048hv4.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7430/dutton2008050qx9.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7452/dutton2008067qs8.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2016/dutton2008094op7.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7996/dutton2008100ah0.jpg

[RICEY]

Wheels on that commo look tiny haha

[ADZ]

Steven Jones / Paolucci finished up 2nd.. the website results were only provisional!!

Steve takes outright 1st Driver
Team took outright 2nd behind gazzard/beaumont (show us ya puncture!)


Sadly not.

8 Peter Gazzard/ Jeff Beaumont 2006 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 529 1
6 Martin Notaras/ David Finnimore MITSUBISHI TBA 627 2
34 Steven Jones/ Jamie Paolucci 2006 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 MR 693 3
17 Andrew Richmond/ Blaise Paris 1999 NISSAN GT-R 748 4
38 Franz Esterbauer/ Danny Cerro 2005 MITSUBISHI EVO 9 766 5

http://www.duttonrally.com/results/2008/wa/DRA_WA08_Outright_Crew.pdf

[TJ]

You should see the other side of it Mark!

The thing is so so so so loud... but the noise isnt reflected in performance.

[RICEY]

Whats on the other side?

[DCIEVE]

battle scars..

[dtcng]

heard that gav put gtr into wall at barbs :(

wasnt Gav, was his co-driver, who also at the end got a tool award

[ben351]

that commo ... is the hardest thing i have heard in person ... but in true commo fashion it went nowhere.

good day managed to get to both barbs and glouscter ... few things ... i HEART the 33 GTST ... aside from the Commo its the 2nd angriest sounding car and went hard to boot ... Loopians nuts at Gloucster park were hands down the most normal thing i have ever seen ... that integra did ok with 3 wheels on the track most of the day ... all in all good day

[dtcng]

big up to lukian, well done champ, also well done to many other antilag members doing the dutton.

[JME]

How f**ken good was that weekend.

Ended up second outright, with massive credit to SJ for his huge driving effort over the weekend. Massive thanks to him for letting me steer - i had an hours seat time and no competition for the last 12 months. That in itself shows a lot of trust with someone else's car - thanks soo much for the awesome weekend.

Many highlights but the biggest would be at the end of Collie on day one. Blaise and Snowy had a smashed front diff and as usual were doing very well. SJ, YODA and crew all pulled together, arranged parts and had the car back in perth that night, on a hoist and back and running like new (thanks to some araldite) for the remainder of the event. Top work guys, definitely what dutton is all about.

Had a ball - BURNOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cake]

Brockbanks front lip indicates a little offroad excursion?

[Denver]

i was robbed of fastest time at glouster, im protesting the result as they reckon i went wrong way in the bashed up 97 shitter..

im dark

but on current results i placed 7th outright in co dirvers, 2nd in class, and not sure where i came in over all, given last years non event of us in the dak dak of fury, this year was a total turnaround, the car performed faultlessly, and aside from my driver ivan stuffing it into the wall, it came out fairly scott free, all i can say is thank god for ratchet straps and rad support pannels being weak as piss, and subaru radiators suprisingly, copping a beating and comming back for more, this ones had a roll over and a wall experience, i think its time to retire it..

[magic1]

China ALCOONS

no they are F + Alcons, paul you want sneaky jokes look on the left front Falcon.

hahahahahaahahahhahaa......................all weekend all weekend!!!

[Denver]

oh yeah, and im serious stuffed, like, waking up tomorrow might not be possible

[Fryman]

what a weekend.

so much love to all the boys.. it was not just the racing but the passion that made the event a screaming success.

Loved the integra that was on three wheels in the MC stages. Brilliant.
Tristan driving the barge around was subtle.. Cant break other peoples cars!

more stories in the morning when the R and R has taken its affect.

PS AYC is the official sponsor of the dutton rally n

[Brockas]

Brockbanks front lip indicates a little offroad excursion?
Neg, copped a hit in the hotel carpark cause it's too low, then broke when it scraped around the basin at Wanners.



What a weekend!! Honestly one of the best weekends I've ever had. Had everything you could possibly ask for. Thanks big time to Brett for the late night effort on Thursday to get the car ready, and Bart for the use of the workshop.

We were gentle on the car for the first two days, just to make sure we made it to the 3rd day.
The GTR was useless at the tight motokhana shit, too laggy and shit turning circle.
The circuits were a different story, 25th at Collie, 20th at Wanners, and 14th at AHG. I was stoaked, so happy it was competitive on the track.



Amazing how much faster guys like Steve/Franz/Chris are, they really are a step above the rest on most tracks.

[esky]

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh267/Fordesky/IMG_2512.jpg

fuck you photobucket. commodore has a pretty decent hit in the doors and rear 1/4

[lysdexia]

fucken what a weekend :D

both 31s went great and didnt break, so as crew member i didnt have to do fuckall haha. i think it was the power of TJ keeping the red car going :fingers:

had a ball, and will definitely be driving next year i think!

some pics and vids (including lukian at Gloucester) will be up tomorrowish, maybe..

[Jimmy_S]

Went down Saturday morning to AHG and got a few shots of the morning session!

:D

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-296.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-297.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-334.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-368.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-222.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-358.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-251.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-470.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-496.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-491.jpg

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-426.jpg

And a few spotted's..

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-462.jpg
Hi Jan!

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-233.jpg
Hi Brocka!

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-234.jpg
Hi Franz and Danny!

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-347.jpg
Hi Denver!

[whitesky]

What a great event, my first dutton, and boy did the 32 get beaten on hard for 3 days, and somehow seems to go even better now.

Thanks to everyone, some of who i only met this weekend.
Special thanks to THE CHAD who kept my car fed with its desire for fuel pumps and basically kept us in the rally.

Extra memories made by Steve Jones for yelling Buuuurnoooout, just as i did my last stage, in 2wd at glouster park on a 6k launch.

Youd think we would get tired of BUrNOUT as it was used so much on the weekend.......... but somehow it never grew old.

Awesome

Thanks to Riverstone for the sponsorship too !

Scotty

[TJ]

http://www.toonmyride.com.au/Dutton2008/Picture-234.jpg

I swear Franz only races with Danny to feel big :D

[RICEY]

rofl TJ

Well done all the competitors Im keen to get out there soon now I have a bunky to get around in. Not sure the Commo will be too competitive though hahaha

[doriae86]

congrats to all those who entered. from my perspective as a spectator, you guys looked like oyu were having a ball!

[magic1]

paul, thank you for trusting me to steer the big boat. your a champ.

[FranZ]

What an awesome weekend!

Funniest part - Kye getting asked for ID at the presentation! hahahahahaha

[DISTRBD]

Awesome weekend :boink:

Both cars made it back to bunno in 1 piece so im happy

[TJ]

Thanks for taking me for a spin in a fast 31 all weekend Bart, on face value it seemed fun ;)

[WRCjosh]

that commo is BLOWN R8 that we talked about in the other thread. Did he hit a wall?!

congrats shteve

[TJ]

Yeah apparently first thing Friday at Collie Josh.

[Brett_J]

Well done Brockas and Tristan for keeping the car together for the entire weekend.
I havent been deprived of so much sleep getting the thing ready and thursday night was a mission to get it sorted, but it all came together with the help of Bart lending us the workshop and extra tools,cheers.

Needed yesterday off as after injuries sustained from said car I couldn't walk, but glad you guys kept it good.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

that commo is BLOWN R8 that we talked about in the other thread. Did he hit a wall?!

congrats shteve

The co-driver looped it at Collie, and it went sideways into some tires. They kept racing the rest of the weekend though.

[SimonR32]

well done to everyone who entered... specially steve, franz and poochi

managed to get down and watch the glouster park stage, was good fun to watch

lukian, you have something wrong with your brain and thats why i love you... someone better have got that on video

[jEstEr?]

Back soon i hope!
http://jester.egn.com.au/images/asstd/dutton08_IMG_0516x.jpg

[JME]

Lukian, you never disappoint !

[DISTRBD]

lukian, you have something wrong with your brain and thats why i love you... someone better have got that on video


My support crew got it on vid , soon as he seen Lukians car he knew there be action :lol:

[adrenalin]

I saw some awesome driving down on sat.

Well done guys

[gt4]

I HEART YOU LOOPIAN

I heart you more Loopian!

[lysdexia]

few pics i snapped, not many action shots cause my camera's not much chop for em

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2239-800.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2244-800.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2247-800.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2248-800.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2249-800.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2253-800.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2254-800.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2265-800.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2268-800.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/lysdexia/Duttin%2008/DSCN2278-800.jpg


video of gloucester park to come later...

edit: wow i dont think i'll be using that image resizer again, those look like shit!!

[DISTRBD]

LOL Tj head still on the car ..

Was funny fuelling up sat morning n some dude noticed it " hahahaha you have pic of tj head on ya car "

[Fryman]

lol glad to please but i did it for me... cant stress this enough. as soon as the nuts switch flicks on whistle goo wooooooooooooo

upset my gf severely as she was by my side the whole 3 days and it reflects badly on her... I upset some pro racers who think " whos this dickhead in a lotus on rcomps on a technical stage breaking out into crop circles".

There is nobody in their right mind that would do such a thing and make an absolute ass of themselves and their sponsors in front of the public. Going to have to stop this as do like racing seriously... but no regrets it

could be time to build an evo if you want the credit!!! ayc is the winnner in wet conditions!!!

[1JZNOSHIT]

haha, as much as i appreciate your antics Fryman, I cant help but think what all the old timers were thinking about your circle work!

[TJ]

Some were clapping.

Others wernt ....

[DISTRBD]

If pingpingpingpings are upset over some nuts then fuk off , no worse then the formula tech VE last yr doing it on the brakes

[TJ]

End of the day the didnt pay Lukians entry fee, so he can do as he wishes.

Dutton is a fun rally, skids are fun, so its definitely ok by my book!

[gt4]

Some were clapping.

Others wernt ....

i was

[cplagz]

If it's not against the rules, then who gives a toss what others think. You're paying, you do what you want.

[TJ]

If it's not against the rules, then who gives a toss what others think. You're paying, you do what you want.

Haha they actually tell the drivers in the briefings its not on ;)

Lukian was on an important business call at the time!

[JME]

Can't do it on the road, cant do it at events, so when exactly can you do it. Top show, its a car rally, blaze the tyres!!!

[cplagz]

Haha they actually tell the drivers in the briefings its not on ;)

Lukian was on an important business call at the time!

Well if you run the gauntlet, then I wouldn't expect the organisers to be so lenient in letting you participate next time. A risk you take.

There are other avenues for ripping nuts, however as previously mentioned Fryer is missing a screw or two when it comes to this issue. I do recall multiple nuts in a certain suburb on a "quiet" Sunday morning, getting MANY looks of disapproval.

[ben351]

dude ... steering lock was faulty ...happens to the best of people.

end of the day ... you did a fuckign burnout ... big deal ... there are rapists and murderers out there too remember

[Brockas]

... there are rapists and murderers out there too remember

Not at Dutton I hope...

[gerrin]

The co-driver looped it at Collie, and it went sideways into some tires. They kept racing the rest of the weekend though.

probly looped it casue the noise it was making
it might have all the fruit but it still sounds like poo

[Slip_]

Can't do it on the road, cant do it at events, so when exactly can you do it. Top show, its a car rally, blaze the tyres!!!

+20

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[Evo Stevo]

HEY BOYS!

Huge thanks for all teh support fellas! P.s gerrin i heart you!

Awsome weekend, Dutton is the best fun, just wanted to thank poochi for doin so well and lookin after the big plastic fantastic 2.6L astron! You fucken peddled her really well dude with all (MASSIVE LACK OF) that amounts of testing after one year of sitting at home and coming at laying chop to kunts after doin 3 runs at AHG 3 days before and it breaking on you from china love! High 5, club circa BOI! Also congrats to all the local crew for the help to give it to these eastern staters!

Just wanted to get down some proper thanks while not being smashed!

MASSIVE THANKS TO ANT SCALI and ROB TURNER (RFT MECHANICAL) THE REASON MY CARS PISS HARD and never ever say die even with tired gearboxes!

Thanks ADZ for doing support all weekend and sorting out all issues making sure we had all bases covered so i don't stress!

Massive thanks to my sponsors FABCAR.COM.AU, XSPEED.COM.AU and LF PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS(http://www.lfperformance.com.au)
Cheers fella's! P.s loopian you have mental problems!

[ADZ]

Thanks ADZ for doing support all weekend and sorting out all issues making sure we had all bases covered so i don't stress!

No worries at all man. Had an absolute blast. Next year i'm entered for sure. Gonna need all the help/words of wisdom i could possibly get. LOVE the Dutton, hands down best atmosphere/group of people you could possibly hope for at a car event. You two (jme/stevo) summed up what dutton is about. After each and every run jumping out with a smile.. having a blast.. pulling the piss and laying out the chop - end of the day - massive amounts of fun!

Cheers again!!

[DRKWRX]

was at Barbs on sun was hungover from an engagement party so didnt take too many pics :p need a monopod too haha.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3715/82301420ir0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6825/74657230sh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9633/45983215bc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/706/24404672qb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1985/91296927ub2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[T-Diddy]

got lots of footage.
brokas, franz, steveo, bart, um.. some other people
didnt see as many stages as i wanted too but oh well

ill slowly smash shit on youtube in the next few days
WHAT i didnt get was lukians nuts, cause his first run was so clean i went "hes out there to be a pro.."

i should know better..

an yeah top work franz an steveo, at least u beat that eastern states evo..

[Brockas]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00637800x600.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00643800x600.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00661800x600.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00668800x600.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00634800x600.jpg


Team Barry:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00662800x600.jpg


Mini-me:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00682800x600.jpg


"It'll buff right out"
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00690800x600.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00646800x600.jpg


AHHHHHHH ME AYC:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00691800x600.jpg


This is some crazy shit on Gav's car, note where the spot on the tyre is, and where the overspray is. The tyre has actually moved on the rim under braking. Insane!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/Brockas/Dutton/DSC00678800x600.jpg

[RICEY]

he has commodore service center brakes hahaha

[FranZ]

Hey Brockas - thats the ACD button, there is no button for AYC!!! ROFL

[Brockas]

I cant keep up with all your acronyms!!

[DISTRBD]

Was that blue Evo no14 following Franz onto lawn for helis ??

[cplagz]

Looks like a fukn blast... definately need to enter a car next year.

[DISTRBD]

Looks like a fukn blast... definately need to enter a car next year.

Only reason we do it , fun times on track n the piss drinking after :beer:

[monk_13]

Definitely gonna have to do some work on the Z, and get some track time in before next year.

[Denver]

My last run of the night, thank mr t for this vid, and when you see the video, you understand how little vision i had, and the fact i managed to win this stage by a full 2 seconds still astounds me, it was pulled totally out of my ass..

edit

the link got changed its now

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WL0WJ3HpPJk

[lysdexia]

lukian....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP75pRy6phY

[mys1]

lukian....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP75pRy6phY

Fucking hell cant stop laughing!

[DISTRBD]

LOL

[RICEY]

lol top stuff Lukian

[Lonewolf]

haha gold

[danoz187]

what is wrong with this gtr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clpeGbQX_b0

[SimonR32]

attessa clutches in the transfer case are fooked

[Brockas]

Transfer case is shagged, so it was running in RWD only.

[Slip_]

lukian....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP75pRy6phY

Madcvnt.

Love your work Lukian!

[Fryman]

LOL! i didnt hit the cone and was whipping nuts in between them

thats magic

YOUTUBE GIVE ME BACK MY ACCOUNT :@ :@ :@

[kneedtotinkle]

lukian = guaranteed BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNOUTS!

[kneedtotinkle]

WELL DONE TO STEVE AND JAMIE...

[Fryman]

next years dutton car ..

http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f70281577&usg=ALkJrhiwEXUZxjYaqXBF4R83AyA8YiF2dA

[kneedtotinkle]

FARKIN DOOOOO ONE!

[jEstEr?]

My last run of the night, thank mr t for this vid, and when you see the video, you understand how little vision i had, and the fact i managed to win this stage by a full 2 seconds still astounds me, it was pulled totally out of my ass..

edit

the link got changed its now

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=WL0WJ3HpPJk


send that to mossy "see i didnt WD pingpingpingping"

[dtcng]

send that to mossy "see i didnt WD pingpingpingping"

he has, and the outcome has gone his way

[Brockas]

Was going through my pics tonight, found this :( :(

http://i34.tinypic.com/yyygz.jpg

[RICEY]

Jai gonna have to change a lot of tyres to fix that hahaha

[GTRgav]

The "Black R" will be back bigger and badder

[DISTRBD]

If Will gets a leave pass from his wife we doing NSW round with his car :fingers: :fingers:

[TJ]

The "Black R" will be back bigger and badder

Excellent to hear Gav :)

Hope its not too bad!

[kneedtotinkle]

its only panel work, she'll be right!

[GTRgav]

its only panel work, she'll be right!

Unfortunately not - fu(ked rear cradle, front cross member bent, left door out of alignment, dented chassis rail.

Repairable but a fair chunk of work required

[ben351]

rubber mallet
race tape
can of black spray paint

good to fucking go chief

[Lonewolf]

that front wheel doesnt look too healthy either :(

[kneedtotinkle]

OH SHIT! errr you looking at mates rates for fixing that...

hope it all goes well.

[Cochee]

How is the front wheel that fucked, but the car has no signs of damage at the front?

[xr06t]

hit the wall with the front wheel on lock maybe

[Brockas]

The wall is 'stepped'. It basically has a kerb along the bottom of it.

I suspect a lot of the damage was done bouncing through the sand sideways as well.

[DCIEVE]

is jai an instructor at the night track sessions? people might think twice before letting him have a drive from now on i think

[DISTRBD]

is jai an instructor at the night track sessions? people might think twice before letting him have a drive from now on i think

I wouldnt ..

[adrenalin]

accidents happen to the best drivers. Dont think this would deter many people.

[DCIEVE]

in your own car (=your own cash) go nuts, in someone elses it should be eight tenths!

[iluv2moan]

in your own car (=your own cash) go nuts, in someone elses it should be eight tenths!

so does that mean u wont let me be your co driver next year if u enter??

[DISTRBD]

in your own car (=your own cash) go nuts, in someone elses it should be eight tenths!

Then there no point to being out there

[chris260]

in your own car (=your own cash) go nuts, in someone elses it should be eight tenths!


Then there no point to being out there

Can I drive your car next year please........

[RICEY]

I wouldnt ..

I would, not all instructors should be instructors.

[7yphon]

ppl make mistakes. Everyone learns and moves on I wouldnt hold it aganist him... even the best of the best slip up from time to time, we are only human after all.

[TJ]

I would, not all instructors should be instructors.

Jai certainly doesnt fall into that bracket though. Sure most of us will attest to him being really good up at no limits.

[[FFOUR]]

is jai an instructor at the night track sessions? people might think twice before letting him have a drive from now on i think

I wouldnt let any of the instructors drive my car at a No Limits night, regardless of what they have or havent done on the racetrack. I'm there to improve MY times and even though seeing someone else drive it might help a little its not worth the risk IMO.

[DISTRBD]

Car we drove on weekend is owned by a mate , if he had doubts then he wouldnt of let us drive it AND if we break it the owner knows we will fix it ..

Im sure same goes for Gavs car with Jai driving it

[RICEY]

Im sure same goes for Gavs car with Jai driving it

Yeah if he accepted the co-drive knowing he couldnt afford to fix it if he came unstuck thats pretty stupid. Not saying thats the case here, just hypothesising.

[whitesky]

I think we should all be a bit sensitive here.
Currently there is a very nice car sitting damaged in a workshop.
Jai had tears in his eyes when he came back to the pits.
Gav is a top bloke and I'm sure was heart broken about the whole thing, as I was.
Being as the wounds on both sides are still fresh i think we should all be careful not to offend anyone, as it was an accident.

abuse me if you want, but lets keep the boys out of it eh.

[TJ]

Dont think anyone's said anything insulting or untoward yet, and as long as it continues as such there is no need to moderate it.

Im sure many of us know what Gav has been through with that car to get it to where it is, and as such would also feel his pain right now.

[DRKWRX]

dont know either of them but im sure if you let someone co drive your car you understand the risks involved and they both arnt happy with the what happened, all they can do is work to fix the car, its motorsport and these things do happen.

[GTREA]

I wouldnt let any of the instructors drive my car at a No Limits night, regardless of what they have or havent done on the racetrack. I'm there to improve MY times and even though seeing someone else drive it might help a little its not worth the risk IMO.

Fogz drove my GTR around Barbagallo once, as he wanted to feel what the Federal tyres felt like (Event Sponsor), I had no issue with him driving at all, Infact I told him dont be shy go for it, more so I could get some feedback on the car itself.

But I forgot how car sick I get!, by the end of the 3 laps I was crook as :(

So no, never again...for my sake only ;)

[iluv2moan]

id assume ud have a different outlook if some1 put your car into the wall. would u happily turn around and say, "thats all right mate, its racing, shit happens".

then be left with the task of fixing up your damaged street car which u may (or may not) rely on to get to work each day?? all because some1 was pushing it too hard to find the limits of your car??

[tprt]

Hi all
Has anyone got any footage of either myself in the White Integra or the lovely TRD hilux that the girls ended up using after destroying a clutch in there EVO 9??
Cheers
Ethan

[Miami]

then be left with the task of fixing up your damaged street car which u may (or may not) rely on to get to work each day?? all because some1 was pushing it too hard to find the limits of your car??

I would have to question why you were racing your street car that you rely on for work then.

Case of driving within your limits....be it limits of ability, or financial/resource limits. if you cant afford to fix it, dont drive it in a way that risks breaking it. and when it comes to motorsport, its not really a case of IF it will break, moreso just WHEN, from my very limited experience.

I personally wont drive other peoples cars because I couldnt afford to fix them if anything were to go wrong. and the only people i would let drive mine are those i know ARE in a position to be able to fix it.

[TJ]

Yeah you would be pretty nuts to drive your one and only car to its limits on the track with no backup.

Look at everyone around here for example :

Brockas has a fleet of his dads Toyotas :D
Steve has a stagea
B0BB0 has a ex taxi falcoon
Lukian has several shitter imports
I've always had a bunky simply because I knew that piece of shit car was going to break.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

If someone happened to put my car into a wall, it would be a pain, but on the other side of it they would be a trusted friend as no one in their right mind would allow a random to just get in and go nuts.

[iluv2moan]

i was referring to instructors which id assume have no legal responsibilty to fix a randoms cars shall they damage it in any way when u have given them permission to drive it.

theres no doubt that most people have acess to other cars to drive during the week but in brockas case - his gtr is his pride and joy street car.

[Fryman]

I would have to question why you were racing your street car that you rely on for work then.

Case of driving within your limits....be it limits of ability, or financial/resource limits. if you cant afford to fix it, dont drive it in a way that risks breaking it. and when it comes to motorsport, its not really a case of IF it will break, moreso just WHEN, from my very limited experience.

I personally wont drive other peoples cars because I couldnt afford to fix them if anything were to go wrong. and the only people i would let drive mine are those i know ARE in a position to be able to fix it.


ding ding ding!! try telling the thick headed numskulls that

[Miami]

In your case, you have the track-spec RX7, not street registered, sitting there, ready for racing....and you leave it sitting there and go and sticker up your glam streetcar "exotic" for dutton ;)

[B0BB0]

i think fanta summed it up well when his said this awhile ago.

At the hands of the co-driver;

a) something mechanical breaks - owners problem

b) car crashed due to a mechanical problem/fault/break-down - owners problem

c) car crashs due to driver pushing too hard - co-drivers problem.

And if i was to ever drive someone elses car i would make sure that i could afford to fix it if anything would ever happen before i drove the car.

** note - i am talking about co-drivers in general not this incident.

[7yphon]

Everyone is really jumping to conclusion's im sure the person in question is going to help the owner fix it up. I would also like to say everyone is saying if the driver cant afford it then dont drive it but you guys need to look at the other side... If you know somthing like this can happen "It's racing something will happen" then you should well expect it. I would also like to point out at the end of the day its a car. "A very nice car" But still a car, everyone was ok and noone got killed. To me that is better then asking about the car.

I think everyone should lay off because i'm sure he isnt feeling to well about what happend and we sure as fuck ant making it any better...

end rant

[TJ]

You seem to be awefully upset... over nothing.

Firstly, no one has said anything bad about the driver at the time of the accident.

Secondly, the discussion has all been in general context, none of it has been specific.

I think its great we have had a healthy debate on a topic without resorting to insults etc etc. And as long as it continues as such there is no need to lay off so to speak.