What the fuck are some people thinking???

[Fusion]

Not sure if this will make the news, but bout 10-15 minutes ago, young kid (16-18years old) jumped out in front of a truck (semi) on Neaves Rd.

Obviously some people don't have things right in their head... but why fuck up other peoples lives. That will be with the truck driver for the rest of his life.

[SircatmaN]

I worked a wake yesterday, found out the guy hung himself he was only 48 and had a 18yr old son. What a ****head. I didn't see his mother around either, not that she isnt there but still. Leaving this kid by himself? Chances are it was the son who found him aswell.

I have no respect for such people.

Its also the third hanging I've heard of this month :S

[Rossco]

3 letters
ICE

[Gleeso]

3 letters
ICE

Yer probly..i know of someone who hung themself earlier this year because of it..

[ReaperSS]

Same, i know of at least 3 people who went hard as and ended up with no job, lost g/f and mates etc.

Couple of them are in casurina for serious assults.

Guttless way , doin yourself in

[Biante12]

Just reported on news, someone died on neaves road after being hit by truck

[kirbo]

You must remember that some people are naturally fucked in the head. Real sad!
IRC: A bloke just went to prison for 7 years after trying to commit suicide by driving on the wrong side of the road in 2006. He killed a mother and two others. He also had 70 driving offenses on his record. Clearly should have been institutionalised.

[BAS]

My sister in law's a copper- they are always cleaning bits of people up off the railway line.

[Ryan1080]

There are more suicides out there than people tend to think. They just don't get reported anywhere in the media at all, for obvious reason.

[ReaperSS]

If you want to see a trippy movie, hire out "The bridge"
Its all about people jumping from golden gate bridge. They interview familys of the people who jump and survivers.

They show many people jumping to there deaths

[TJ]

I was going to say anyone willing to kill themselves is probably not in the best state of mind anyhow, so the question is pretty redundant.

[Adr3naL1N]

My sister in law's a copper- they are always cleaning bits of people up off the railway line.

yeah two guys in my footy team are cops/detectives, tell me some messed about situations they have dealt with.

[pshrdeta]

I don't know you can say its a gutless etc etc, whilst its careless these people clearly have given up on the desire to live, their state of mind is something a sane person cant fathom.

[SircatmaN]

Its still gutless, even if mindless.

[ultim8m]

not only is it gutless its selfish. they are obviously in a screwed state of mind to kill themselves but the effect it has on their families, witness's and anyone else involved si f*cked

[Clontarf[X]]

The last thing a suicidal person is thinking about is how what they do affects other people... Trust me when it get's to the point of taking your life that person is way past any carefactor.

[DRKWRX]

^^ I agree, someone who has givin up on there own life isnt thinking about other peoples lives, feel sorry for this truck driver though :(

[SircatmaN]

I could never kill myself. Even if everyone I knew died and I had debt upto my eyes and my wife left me and i was going to prison, seriously I'd just run out bush and leave my life behind, theres always another way. Unless of course I was a kiddy fiddler and couldnt control the urges, then I'd off myself out in the bush like off a cliff or something those guys are fucked up.

[TJ]

Yeah but this isnt about you - and every single person is different.

We had a kid at our school kill himself at 16. God knows what it takes to do it, but its a tragic waste of life.

[1JZVL]

'hoons' in their modified cars is more serious and disgusting than people jumping infront of trains/trucks and other large objects, obviously...blood and guts here-and-there..

i personally couldnt do it - but all some people need is something to push them that step further, it could be anything..just sad that they have to end there life with the help of somebody else :/

drug and alcohol abuse is just not good for some people and not saying its always the case..but today, yeah..it makes things worse.

luckily not all suicides get broadcasted on tv.. would be depressing

[SircatmaN]

Like that guy on mIRC that told everyone he was hardcore and he would kill himself to prove it and then he did. That was pretty hardcore.

[Miggy]

Like that guy on mIRC that told everyone he was hardcore and he would kill himself to prove it and then he did. That was pretty hardcore.




What???? proof, links?

[wadragracing]

'hoons' in their modified cars is more serious and disgusting than people jumping infront of trains/trucks and other large objects, obviously...blood and guts here-and-there..

Funny you should say that, I just saw a promo for Channel Seven news and the arrest of a hoon was the first item, followed by a death in a house fire, and an Olympic medal, the attention this is getting is ridiculous.

Anyway back to the thread at hand, yes it happens more often than you think. Whenever you hear a story like "there is an interruption on the Armadale line this afternoon causing problems from such and such a station" it is more often than not suicide.

Are we sure this was a suicide though? Cause the media has been reporting it most of the day.

[r31gtsx]

the towie at our work got a call today saying that he had to attend a VKI and this is that one the poor bugger had to attend

[mc68]

obviously no body here knows what its like to have a mental illness.

its usually circumstantial events to motivate what they have always been feeling...if you believe everyone else has broken you down into getting this way..there are other ways to do it other than stepping infront of a truck/train, but the person probably wanted just a little attention, and really he wouldn't have given a fuck about anyone else's feeling, he was was well over it.

'i have no respect for such people' get fucked...some people are beyond the help of counselling and correcting medication because they have pent up it all for the last15-20 years that they pop.

im not saying he didnt do something morally fucked up...but think about it...he in his own mind had all the reason in the world to do it.

[Lonewolf]

i dont think this is the problem.
More that someone would choose to jump in front of a truck and ruin someone else's life too.

[mc68]

i really dont think they even thought about that...

probably deeply suicidal...saw the opportunity to end it. did it.

[Sleekman]

easier to get a couple packets of pain killers....
4$ for pack of 72 tablets, pandadol or N plus
less then 10 bucks grab 2, munch it down doze off and u wont feel a thing
just make sure you do it in public so your corpse dont stink up the house

[Biante12]

obviously no body here knows what its like to have a mental illness.

its usually circumstantial events to motivate what they have always been feeling...if you believe everyone else has broken you down into getting this way..there are other ways to do it other than stepping infront of a truck/train, but the person probably wanted just a little attention, and really he wouldn't have given a fuck about anyone else's feeling, he was was well over it.

'i have no respect for such people' get fucked...some people are beyond the help of counselling and correcting medication because they have pent up it all for the last15-20 years that they pop.

im not saying he didnt do something morally fucked up...but think about it...he in his own mind had all the reason in the world to do it.

75% people feel depressed at one time or another, sorry but thats not depression. Until you have lived with depression, you cannot understand what its like. Depression isnt just feeling sorry for yourself, its an actual physical condition caused by the lask of ceratonin in the brain. This is the chemical that keeps you "happy". Living life with this condition is not fun, but only a few commit suicide and when they do, they do it alone, with no one around, that is how they have lived their lives, no pomp or ceremony. Yes there is always someone left to suffer, but even natural death has the same result.

The people that jump in front of cars, trains, trucks etc or suddenly shoot themselves are usually not lifetime suffering depressed people but overly stressed people, or long time chemical abusers (alcohol and/or drugs), or victims of a horrific crime who cannot find a way out of their current situation due to the inability to think rationally. Something a depression sufferer can do. Most of the time its anxiety that will cause this sudden urge to end it all, and to make their point more obvious, do it in a way that someone will notice a lot quicker than true depression sufferers. Yes they are seeking attention and they want in some form to glorify for their life.

It takes a lot to take that last step, whether it be off a cliff alone with no one around or in front of someone so you are found instantly. But don't confuse the two groups. This guy was in the latter.

[RICEY]

obviously no body here knows what its like to have a mental illness.

its usually circumstantial events to motivate what they have always been feeling...if you believe everyone else has broken you down into getting this way..there are other ways to do it other than stepping infront of a truck/train, but the person probably wanted just a little attention, and really he wouldn't have given a fuck about anyone else's feeling, he was was well over it.

'i have no respect for such people' get fucked...some people are beyond the help of counselling and correcting medication because they have pent up it all for the last15-20 years that they pop.

im not saying he didnt do something morally fucked up...but think about it...he in his own mind had all the reason in the world to do it.


Then again if the person got to that stage through drug abuse they dont deserve respect.

[SSICK]

Then again if the person got to that stage through drug abuse they dont deserve respect.

bingo. i live with someone who went thru depression caused by drug use. gets absolutely no sympathy from me.

[Biante12]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24222859-2761,00.html

[EYEH8HSV]

bingo. i live with someone who went thru depression caused by drug use. gets absolutely no sympathy from me.

i can understand where your comin from dude...but my mate is in rehab as we speak and also suffers from depression.Quite frankly if me and the boys werent visiting him every now and again or giving him support i dont think he would be here today.but then again if this guy you live with isnt a mate i can kinda relate..

[oranges]

75% people feel depressed at one time or another, sorry but thats not depression. Until you have lived with depression, you cannot understand what its like. Depression isnt just feeling sorry for yourself, its an actual physical condition caused by the lask of ceratonin in the brain. This is the chemical that keeps you "happy". Living life with this condition is not fun, but only a few commit suicide and when they do, they do it alone, with no one around, that is how they have lived their lives, no pomp or ceremony. Yes there is always someone left to suffer, but even natural death has the same result.

The people that jump in front of cars, trains, trucks etc or suddenly shoot themselves are usually not lifetime suffering depressed people but overly stressed people, or long time chemical abusers (alcohol and/or drugs), or victims of a horrific crime who cannot find a way out of their current situation due to the inability to think rationally. Something a depression sufferer can do. Most of the time its anxiety that will cause this sudden urge to end it all, and to make their point more obvious, do it in a way that someone will notice a lot quicker than true depression sufferers. Yes they are seeking attention and they want in some form to glorify for their life.

It takes a lot to take that last step, whether it be off a cliff alone with no one around or in front of someone so you are found instantly. But don't confuse the two groups. This guy was in the latter.

Nail on the head?

I think I can say from experience that when being depressed, you do actually think, and worry, about others around you, especially family, and that can be a big confliction towards suicide.
Depression is something a lot of people simply cannot even begin to fathom, even I don't confidently beleive I know what it's like fully.

[OptiC]

For any one interested:

The Bridge thanks to google video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4636757064676695790

[mc68]

75% people feel depressed at one time or another, sorry but thats not depression. Until you have lived with depression, you cannot understand what its like.


for the record, i know what its like.

[DISTRBD]

Long term solution to short term problem :dizzy:

[Onijin]

;335357']The last thing a suicidal person is thinking about is how what they do affects other people... Trust me when it get's to the point of taking your life that person is way past any carefactor.

I was on a strong dose of medication called Roaccutane (chemical name is Isotretinoin) years ago and I had suicidal thoughts in conjunction with severe depression, and to be frank, being able to ration how it would affect my family pretty much stopped me from carrying out topping myself. I've even done anecdotal research on this drug and it has had similar effects on many people (it is a Vitamin A derivative, which itself is harmful in strong doses). There was even a kid in Florida who killed himself by flying a light plane into an office building, and the FBI found boxes of the medication (no drugs or other meds) in his house.

So yeah, some people who would be otherwise rationally normal may have something like this influencing them to do this without their knowledge. Not having a go at you, just something to bear in mind.

[BOSS 290]

Suicide claims three times as many lives as road fatilities caused by excessive speed as a contributing factor. Based on this, you'd think the governments funding on suicide prevention would be three times greater than traffic enforcement for speeding.

Surprise surprise it's not. Funding for suicide prevention is not even a drop in the ocean compared to the resources the TEG has. It's a bloody disgrace imo, I'm surprised the media haven't somehow demonised car enthusiasts or hoon as the cause of the accident in Mariginiup.

[Biante12]

Surprise surprise it's not. Funding for suicide prevention is not even a drop in the ocean compared to the resources the TEG has.

Because politicians and people in general still think depression is a disease, when it's not. Clinical depression can be caused by incorrect medication (Onijin's example), life changing factors ie: the death or loss of a loved one etc. This type of depression can last weeks, months even years, but rarely lasts for the rest of the persons life. People suffering clinical depression are more prone to suicide etc since their thought processes are hindered by irrational. Where as genetic and biological depression is totally different. This is a life long suffering of full rationale, over analysing everything and is lifestyle restrictive.

The biggest problem is no one really understands enough about how the brain works to fully understand the causes of depression, and there for the treatment. So many times, the wrong type of drugs are prescribed for "depressed" people. because depression types are so hard to classify, so doctors prescribe the drugs they "think" are correct when in actual fact they make matters worse.

More money has been spent this year on Hoon Advertising and anti smoking advertising than is spent on researching mental illnesses in last 5 years by the Government. Yet people are still popping themselves off or becoming addicted to Valium, Cerapax and the like because their diagnosis was made by a doctor with only the basic knowledge.

Depression is a killer, yet there is still more emphasis on dick heads doing skids, or helping out a football team with sponsorship

[ELUSIV]

75% people feel depressed at one time or another, sorry but thats not depression. Until you have lived with depression, you cannot understand what its like. Depression isnt just feeling sorry for yourself, its an actual physical condition caused by the lask of ceratonin in the brain. This is the chemical that keeps you "happy". Living life with this condition is not fun, but only a few commit suicide and when they do, they do it alone, with no one around, that is how they have lived their lives, no pomp or ceremony. Yes there is always someone left to suffer, but even natural death has the same result.

The people that jump in front of cars, trains, trucks etc or suddenly shoot themselves are usually not lifetime suffering depressed people but overly stressed people, or long time chemical abusers (alcohol and/or drugs), or victims of a horrific crime who cannot find a way out of their current situation due to the inability to think rationally. Something a depression sufferer can do. Most of the time its anxiety that will cause this sudden urge to end it all, and to make their point more obvious, do it in a way that someone will notice a lot quicker than true depression sufferers. Yes they are seeking attention and they want in some form to glorify for their life.

It takes a lot to take that last step, whether it be off a cliff alone with no one around or in front of someone so you are found instantly. But don't confuse the two groups. This guy was in the latter.

I have to clear some things up here as this comes into my area of expertise and i have done research into depression as well as understanding the symptoms and what is required to meet diagnoses for different forms of depression (according to the DSM-IV-TR).

First of all it is important to understand the difference between being diagnosed with disorder or experiencing depressive episodes. When they say that 75% of people will suffer depression at some form in their life they do not mean they will experience enough symptoms necessary to be seen as clinically depressed they will more likely experience depressive episodes which are short in duration and do not last over time.

Depression is seen as a psychological as well as a physiological disorder. The lack of serotonin has been strongly linked to depressive symptoms and most anti-depressants target the serotonin deficiency. However it isnt just a simple physiological problem, while for some drugs may be necessary to rectify an imbalance it is largely influenced by psychological state of mind, thoughts, feelings and the way people perceive events in the world around them. To effectively treat depression sufferers psychotherapy is essential and in many cases drug therapy is also required, depression is extremely complicated (like most psychological disorders) and cannot ever be simplified down to an A causes B which equals C style equation.

From the research i have done in Abnormal Psychology the statement that most people who commit suicide are not real depressive sufferers is a fairly sweeping generalisation. I can assure you that first of all no researcher can attribute what the final cognitive process that a person went through to commit suicide as it is essentially impossible :P. In the literature it is fairly even when the amount of deaths attributed to people who have experienced one or more depressive episodes (those diagnosed with clinical depression) as those due to "unknown" circumstances who quite possible may be experiencing major depressive episodes but they may have never seen a psychologist or a psychiatrist to be diagnosed with it.

The majority of major depressive orders occur when people are older than 30 which also coincides with the national suicide rates which have a median in the 40's area and most suicides occurring in the ages of 30-40. Interestingly males significantly outnumber females usually more than twice as much.

From my small amount of study i personally belive that stressors, and symptoms that invoke depressive thoughts and feelings are experienced by everyone every day and every person has a different threshold. Once that threshold is breached it is then up to how effective a person's coping mechanisms are in dealing with depressive thoughts and feelings that will ultimately effect their decision making or cognitve processes about what to do with those feelings. I believe that those who take their life are at a point in which their coping system has failed and they see no other way in living a normal existance so conclude that their life must be ended.

I dont agree they are seeking attention, it is a myth that those who are depressed are not given enough attention and therefore they choose to end their life to gain that much lacking element of their life. Considering in the next few years stress will be the biggest killer of human beings on our planet it isnt a far stretch to link the fact that stress may be playing one of the most significant roles in suicide. I would be fairly safe to assume that those who end their life in such gruesome ways would be more likely due to uncopable stress levels than those who are not receiving enough attention, in fact that i would believe to be far more in the minority.

Definately a tragedy what happened but its extremely hard for the average person to fathom why a person would so such a thing. Recall your last argument you had with someone when you believed something from one side with total conviction and you may even have evidence to support it, but no matter what the other person would not concede that you were correct. They "believed" what they were thinking to be true, their cognitions were totally different to yours but they still believed what they were saying to be true. Ive seen guys who truely and honestly believed their was nothing wrong in flashing school girls at a bus stop (all jokes aside, talking real cases here) because they didnt believe or think their was anything wrong. It doesnt mean their thoughts are invalid, only irrational when compared to our own. What im trying to say is that in order to understand the decisions people make you may need to understand how their irrational thinking is working and how they perceive things differently to you, its like the glass half full vs the glass half empty, same glass, totally different perceptions.

Sorry bout the wall of text, happy to answer any Q's if anyone has any though :)

[RICEY]

Why do my pubes itch at night?

[ELUSIV]

Why do my pubes itch at night?

Ok this is a fairly complicated problem but i'll do my best to help you.

Wash your dog's saliva off before you go to bed :)

Hope that helps! :D

[RICEY]

Im a little offended that you called my Mrs a dog.

[ELUSIV]

Im a little offended that you called my Mrs a dog.

lol, id never insinuate that!

Well could always go bald down stairs like you are up stairs? :P

Thatd solve the prob.

[RICEY]

You need glasses if you think Im bald as do a few others on here !

[JayVee]

My father drives trains on the Perth metro line and the amount of suicides that happen in the line of his work is very suprising. They even have a well laid out plan that when the "hit one". If they get a chance, they pull the curtain down on the front window, pulll the train up, and radio control. Control sends a vehicle out so that he can get into it and leave the scene with fuss.

They are then offered conselling straight away and can also take the appropriate amount of time off to help deal with it.

He says some of the drivers that have hit people cope with a "not my fault" attitiude where as some never return....he is very lucky to have not hit one to date (keeping the fingers crossed for him)

One of the most surprising methods is the amount of people that park there cars on the emergency stopping lane (fast side), then simply walk over to the line as the train comes.

He also mentioned that the press are not allowed to report on the suicides.

[bodybodyrock]

if the government wanted to stop the wasted lives they should stop worrying about hoons and start helping ppl with depresion

[RICEY]

Being labelled a hoon makes me depressed.

[CyberNetiC]

catch 22, it takes more than a carpenter to fix things.

[Big Cam]

My father drives trains on the Perth metro line and the amount of suicides that happen in the line of his work is very suprising. They even have a well laid out plan that when the "hit one". If they get a chance, they pull the curtain down on the front window, pulll the train up, and radio control. Control sends a vehicle out so that he can get into it and leave the scene with fuss.

They are then offered conselling straight away and can also take the appropriate amount of time off to help deal with it.

He says some of the drivers that have hit people cope with a "not my fault" attitiude where as some never return....he is very lucky to have not hit one to date (keeping the fingers crossed for him)

One of the most surprising methods is the amount of people that park there cars on the emergency stopping lane (fast side), then simply walk over to the line as the train comes.

He also mentioned that the press are not allowed to report on the suicides.

I was just about to bring up all of the facts you stated.

It is a bullshit amount of people that jump infront of trains.

If these pricks wanna end it why fuck with some one elses life.

[Roobiks]

x2 on using someone else to end your life being shit.
piece of hose from the exhaust ftw if you're going to do it at all.
never have, and hopefully never will, understand why people do it.. there's always hope, imho.

[peter_piper]

easier to get a couple packets of pain killers....
4$ for pack of 72 tablets, pandadol or N plus
less then 10 bucks grab 2, munch it down doze off and u wont feel a thing
just make sure you do it in public so your corpse dont stink up the house

Incorrect. Overdosing on paracetemol (panadol) only gets you constipated. Taking the ones with 10mg of codeine in them, you'll need several hundred tables. I used to be prescribed a pack of panadiene forte (500mg paracetemol, 30mg codeine each tab - therefore 600mg codeine total) per day when I had my hand ops until they bumped me up to tramadol. You cant kill yourself for $10 worth of pills.


Ps.. destroying someone elses life through ending your own by having them accidentally kill you is pathetic.

[mys1]

Incorrect. Overdosing on paracetemol (panadol) only gets you constipated. Taking the ones with 10mg of codeine in them, you'll need several hundred tables. I used to be prescribed a pack of panadiene forte (500mg paracetemol, 30mg codeine each tab - therefore 600mg codeine total) per day when I had my hand ops until they bumped me up to tramadol. You cant kill yourself for $10 worth of pills.


Ps.. destroying someone elses life through ending your own by having them accidentally kill you is pathetic.

Incorect.

Overdoseing on Panadol wil do alot more than make you constipated, Take a couple of packs and it practiclally eats away at your innards (kidneys n livers) body shuts down and you die. It takes less than you think.

tell your doctor youve just taken 10 panadol in one hit because youve had a really bad headache and theyll call you an ambo for fear of you dying.