F1 2009 chat thread [Archive] - Page 5

Sully

17-09-2009, 01:00 AM

im not being an alonso fan boy or anything, this is just a thought. even if alonso did know about it and didn't agree, there probably wasn't much he could do anyway. i don't know all the specifics of the situation but i gather it revolved around the safety car coming out at the time alonso needed to make a pit stop and somehow he comes out into the lead. if he needs to stop then he needs to stop, not much he can do about it without massively fucking up his own strategy really.

i vaguely remember him seeming as surprised as the rest of the world with his win, it didn't seem like he knew it was going to happen.

i'm genuinely shocked at flavio and symonds leaving the team RIGHT NOW though. did not see that shit coming :lol:

[FFOUR]

17-09-2009, 09:43 AM

... i don't know all the specifics of the situation but i gather it revolved around the safety car coming out at the time alonso needed to make a pit stop and somehow he comes out into the lead. if he needs to stop then he needs to stop, not much he can do about it without massively fucking up his own strategy really.

Piquet crashed AFTER Alonso pitted early (as he started with low fuel from a low grid position) and before all the others had, allowing Alonso to take the lead when the safety car came out and all the other cars pitted.

17-09-2009, 09:58 AM

Well, come out in third after pit stops , but your points valid

Nemi

17-09-2009, 10:17 AM

17-09-2009, 12:48 PM

http://i32.tinypic.com/22i49d.jpg

muahahahahahahhaa

17-09-2009, 01:58 PM

http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/files/2009/09/crashcing.jpg

iluv2moan

17-09-2009, 02:12 PM

http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/files/2009/09/crashcing.jpg

if i was any good at photoshop, that one should read

"try not to crash till lap 13"

17-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Haha yes - even better!

Brockas

17-09-2009, 02:44 PM

http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/files/2009/09/crashcing.jpg

THAT IS AWESOME!

pgc

18-09-2009, 01:45 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01482/renault13_1482662a.pdf - if you haven't seen it already.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/renault/6199553/Flavio-Briatore-and-Pat-Symonds-face-extraditon-threat-over-race-fixing-scandal.html

fourseven

18-09-2009, 02:07 PM

There are also legal challenges open to Ferrari and their driver Felipe Massa, who missed out on last year's world drivers' crown by a single point.

Wouldn't that cause a shit storm.

There is no way they will get extradited. Typical fucking media...

18-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Yeah its a crock of shit

fourseven

18-09-2009, 02:44 PM

Yeah its a crock of shit

The extradition is, but the season result? Has plenty of merit.

"He crashed in a very strange way," TV Globo commentator Reginaldo Leme is quoted as saying. "It struck me when I was talking recently with Felipe Massa. Felipe had gone to Briatore and said, 'This crash was not right, it happened because you wanted it to'."

:(

18-09-2009, 04:00 PM

End of the day - Massa's botched pit stop occurred because of a fault in the electronic pit stop system.

This could have occurred during a normal green flag pit stop - which would have been even worse for Massa - probably would have ended up at least a lap down considering the amount of time it took his crew to get to him and get it out.

Further more, its quite likely the Williams podium would have never occurred... most like a Hamilton win actually. So he would have been even more points ahead.

BUT - no one can say for sure what would have happened had to crash not occurred.

fourseven

18-09-2009, 04:05 PM

Yeah I'm not suggesting it would've gotten Massa over the line. But if they take it to court... could end up being a nice payout if they can get the claim up. If Renault get fucked on it will only add fuel to the fire.

The controversy this season just keeps on going. Too bad it has attracted so much negative attention though.

18-09-2009, 04:08 PM

Crashgate, liegate, FOTAgate, spankgate - just keeps on coming

Sully

18-09-2009, 05:14 PM

when are they going to stop putting "gate" after every fucking incident that happens in F1? starting to shit me :slap:

Alt_F4

19-09-2009, 02:01 PM

Dunno if this is old news already, but came across this today:

Lotus granted 13th entry for 2010
By Pablo Elizalde Tuesday, September 15th 2009, 08:14 GMT

Johnny Herbert, Lotus, Pacific GP 1994The Lotus F1 team has been awarded the 13th entry in the 2010 Formula 1 championship, the governing body announced on Tuesday.

The FIA said it had also received an "impressive" application from the BMW Sauber team, but given the uncertainty about the ownership of the Hinwil squad the governing body decided to give the entry to Lotus.

BMW was, however, given the "14th place" in case any vacancy arises on the 2010 grid.

The governing body added the it will look into expanding the grid to 14 teams, "consulting urgently with the existing teams regarding the introduction of an appropriate rule change to expand the grid to 28 cars in time for the first Grand Prix in 2010."

As revealed by AUTOSPORT earlier this month, the Lotus entry will be backed a company called 1Malaysia F1 Team Sdn Bhd, with Tony Fernandes as team principal. Fernandes is the founder and CEO of the Malaysian-based Tune Group, owner of the Air Asia airline.

The FIA said Mike Gascoyne will be the team's technical director and that Lotus will use Cosworth engines.

The company is a partnership between the Malaysian government and a consortium of Malaysian entrepreneurs. The Lotus name will return to Formula 1 as a constructor for the first time since 1994.

Lotus will be initially based at the RTN facility in Norfolk, UK, some 10 miles from the Lotus Cars factory. The 50,000 square foot facility was originally built by Toyota for its initial Formula 1 programme and then used by Bentley for its Le Mans programme.

The team's future design, R&D, manufacturing and technical centre will be built at Malaysia's Sepang International Circuit.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78648

Wrexter

20-09-2009, 10:30 AM

Crashgate, liegate, FOTAgate, spankgate - just keeps on coming

you forgot spygate :P

Crimson

20-09-2009, 09:41 PM

Looks like the whole Kimi --> McLaren/Fernando --> Ferrari/Nico --> Brawn rumours are solidifying...

Kimi Raikkonen has signed an "outline agreement" to kick off a second tenure with the McLaren team beginning next season, the Mirror newspaper reported on Sunday.

The British newspaper said the 29-year-old Finn, who raced with the Woking based outfit between 2002 and 2006, must first reach an agreement with Ferrari, with whom he is under contract for one more season.

The Mirror cited "paddock sources" in claiming that Raikkonen is prepared to vacate his contracted Ferrari seat in 2010, but only if the famous Italian outfit pays his salary. The newspaper estimated Raikkonen's 2010 Ferrari contract at nearly US $49m.

20-09-2009, 10:11 PM

you forgot spygate :P

That was this season?

iluv2moan

20-09-2009, 10:15 PM

The newspaper estimated Raikkonen's 2010 Ferrari contract at nearly US $49m.

and people leave f1 for nascar!

Sully

21-09-2009, 01:25 AM

ferrari drivers don't :)

fourseven

21-09-2009, 07:13 AM

Looks like the whole Kimi --> McLaren/Fernando --> Ferrari/Nico --> Brawn rumours are solidifying...

Doh!

Oh wait... The Mirror. Worst source in the world!

Check it:

Paddock sources say the Finn, 29, has signed an outline agreement to return to the car he won the world title with in 2007.

I'm pretty sure Kimi won the 2007 WDC in a Ferrari, not a McLaren. :lol:

satch

21-09-2009, 11:32 AM

if what the Mirror says is true would be a no brainer, it sure Santander will pick up Kimi's Tab to stick Alonso in a ferrari.

With Nascar believe they get paid for points and wins, but where the drivers really make a killing is all on sponsorship.

esky

21-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Renault given two-year suspended ban

Renault has been handed a two-year suspended ban for its involvement in fixing the result of last year's Singapore Grand Prix, with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds receiving bans from motorsport.

The FIA has also taken tough action against Briatore and Symonds. It has been decided that for an 'unlimited period' the FIA will not sanction any event, championship, cup, trophy, challenge or series involving Briatore in any capacity – or grant any licence to a team or entity that is engaged with Briatore.

The statement added: "It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA's jurisdiction."

Briatore will also not be allowed to manage any drivers in F1, with the FIA stating that it will not renew any Superlicence granted to a driver who is associated with Briatore. At the moment Briatore manages Fernando Alonso, Mark Webber, Heikki Kovalainen, Romain Grosjean in F1.

"In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence."

Symonds faces a similar ban for a period of five years – and will not be allowed at FIA-sanctioned events.

briatore got canned, hard. renualt got off with fuckall really

fourseven

21-09-2009, 09:00 PM

The FIA also ruled that Alonso, who testified at the hearing, was not involved in the Renault race-fix matter.

Most important part of the entire statement.

:)

satch

21-09-2009, 09:01 PM

Time to be an F1 driver manager :)

Was the only outcome to be honest, Renault were never going to get shafted, FIA just could not afford to lose another team, despite BMW waiting in the wings. Also precendence was set earlier this year when Dennis and Ryan walked away from that saga.

Briartore got raped, thats what happens when you stick to your guns in the wrong, im sure it was a bit of payback from Mosley as well for FOTA shafting him over his budget plans and retirement.

fourseven

21-09-2009, 10:14 PM

Briatore will also not be allowed to manage any drivers in F1, with the FIA stating that it will not renew any Superlicence granted to a driver who is associated with Briatore.

Anyone else see this as over the top? I can't see how they can justify this... Bit of that Nazi history coming out. Who a driver's manager is has fuck all to do with the FIA as long as the driver is playing the game.

satch

21-09-2009, 10:24 PM

It because Briartore managed Piquet, problem was seen as a conflict of interest for starters, and Briartore used his position as Team Manager and Driver Manager to pressure Piquet into crashing.

I would say the FIA believe had their been an independent team manager it wouldnt have happened.

Over the top maybe, but like i said i would think would have more to do with Max pushing his own agenda to get one back at Briartore who was instrumental in getting Max to not re-run for election.

The only thing that has surprised me - i thought Symonds had immunity, maybe my recollection is fuzzy but if its right dont get how hes coped a 5 year ban.

AusZXxx

21-09-2009, 10:35 PM

Most important part of the entire statement.

:)

Pity.....sure, he can drive, but I can' t stand the fucker! and I will be destroyed the day I finally see him in one of the scarlet cars!

fourseven

21-09-2009, 10:39 PM

It because Briartore managed Piquet, problem was seen as a conflict of interest for starters, and Briartore used his position as Team Manager and Driver Manager to pressure Piquet into crashing.

The only thing that has surprised me - i thought Symonds had immunity, maybe my recollection is fuzzy but if its right dont get how hes coped a 5 year ban.

When Briatore instructed Piquet to crash a Renault car, he was doing so as the Renault team boss. Piquet crashed to assist the team's result and because he feared his contract wouldn't be renewed... I can't see how they can prevent Briatore managing drivers.

Symonds was offered immunity for 'full disclosure' which he didn't accept.

21-09-2009, 10:39 PM

Fuck Briatore - good riddance to a cancer on the sport.

Why should he be allowed any part in a sport when he went to such corrupt lengths.

fourseven

21-09-2009, 10:52 PM

Fuck Briatore - good riddance to a cancer on the sport.

Why should he be allowed any part in a sport when he went to such corrupt lengths.

Are you sure...

http://www.clubdutch.com/wp-content/elisabetta-gregoraci-1.jpg

we can't...

http://www.clubdutch.com/wp-content/elisabetta-gregoraci-2.jpg

make...

http://www.clubdutch.com/wp-content/elisabetta-gregoraci-3.jpg

an exception?

http://www.clubdutch.com/wp-content/uploads/a/Elisabetta_Gregoraci.jpg

Pretty please?

http://www.derapate.it/wp-galleryo/elisabetta-gregoraci/elisabetta_gregoraci_06x.jpg

With sugar on top?

http://image.excite.it/calendari/2005/donne/gregoraci/big/gennaio.jpg

21-09-2009, 11:49 PM

Yeah but dude every race has girls as hot as, if not hotter, without having to see that fucker in a g-banger.

Crimson

22-09-2009, 01:26 AM

Like anything that involves power and money there'll always be corruption. The more power and money at stake, the more corrupt it's likely to be. F1 is about as big as it gets, aside from the likes of the catholic church I guess...

I'm not a big fan of Briatore, but I think this was pretty extreme. I agree - had he not pissed Mosley off earlier in the year it probably wouldn't have gone so far (like to his management company), but I'm 100% the FIA and Mosley in particular will have very sound reasoning for this - they always tend to. Bloody lawyers...

I'm more surprised by how little Renault as a company/team copped in all of this.

Crimson

22-09-2009, 01:28 AM

Oh, and fourseven? Despite that abomination of an avatar you have, you do make a very persuasive argument. :P

fourseven

22-09-2009, 07:49 AM

Oh, and fourseven? Despite that abomination of an avatar you have, you do make a very persuasive argument. :P

Get used to it... that's all you are going to see on the 2nd place step next year, right next to Massa on top.

:lol:

satch

22-09-2009, 11:18 AM

Gazetto reporting that at a recent function Alonso qouted as saying "were not 100% there yet, still some work to be done" in regards to see him in a Ferrari.

Assume hes referring to either his pay, or Kimi's in trying to make space for him at Ferrari.

25-09-2009, 09:11 AM

So ING have bailed on Renault with immediate affect.

mys1

25-09-2009, 09:22 AM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78831

So it would appear. Sauber may have a place on the grid afterall, If Renault cant afford to race...

iluv2moan

25-09-2009, 01:09 PM

had virgin committed to a team yet? sounds like he could buy one for pocket money

25-09-2009, 01:16 PM

He is going with Manor from all reports.

Sully

25-09-2009, 02:55 PM

I think ING announced at the start of the year that they were pulling out for 2010 anyway. or that might have just been rolling sponsorship back. either way, i'm sure that they were planning on taking a lot of money out of the sport.

i suppose now they could put the sponsorship money from renault back into sponsoring more races or something like that. a lot of races are struggling to get the money together for the events so it might end up being a good situation.

25-09-2009, 03:08 PM

They are leaving F1 full stop end of season - hard to justify millions upon millions in sponsorship when you needed to be bailed out to avoid bankrupcy.

Sully

25-09-2009, 03:22 PM

yeah exactly. is it rbs thats just turning their sponsorship down or are they bailing out all together too?

25-09-2009, 08:56 PM

hahahahahahahaha!!

free practise one, and a renault crashes at turn 17 - tooooo fucking good!

fourseven

26-09-2009, 12:51 AM

Great start to the weekend for Webber as well. Crashed into the pit wall during second practice.

26-09-2009, 01:05 AM

Almost smelt of renault v8 saving.

mys1

26-09-2009, 08:14 AM

Fly out tonight! Bring on F1!

Crimson

26-09-2009, 01:54 PM

Fly out tonight! Bring on F1!

There's all sorts of names for the likes of you! :P :asshole:

FranZ

26-09-2009, 11:29 PM

Webber P4 ...nice!

26-09-2009, 11:38 PM

Rubens crashed on purpose - rubensgate! barrigate!

Well done to Lewis :D

rxsevengt

27-09-2009, 11:26 AM

Loved how Rubens tried to power out of it at the last minute, Looked awesome. Here's hoping Lewis can get another win, Although Rosberg was looking very quick. Should make for a great race either way.

27-09-2009, 10:13 PM

Wooo wooo!! Flawless drive!

fourseven

27-09-2009, 10:44 PM

Average track, average race, average win. Damn shame Vettel got the drive-through... would've made the rest of the race more interesting.

Fernando's got balls.

Bomber

27-09-2009, 10:47 PM

Fernando's got 3 races left in a Renault.:wiggle:

Fixed :)

Brett_J

27-09-2009, 10:49 PM

How much dust is on that track!
Was average at best that race.

FranZ

27-09-2009, 10:53 PM

shame about Vettel; shame about Rosberg aswell!

mys1

27-09-2009, 11:15 PM

Average track, average race, average win. Damn shame Vettel got the drive-through... would've made the rest of the race more interesting.

Fernando's got balls.

Best atmosphere though! Breathtaking event!

Sully

28-09-2009, 12:09 AM

that was an unbelievably boring race. there was hardly any actual head to head racing, just people going round the track on their own. the start was good though, some decent moves but the broadcast breaking down for the restart was horrible :lol:

roll on japan i say

28-09-2009, 01:32 AM

Vettel was sticking to Lewis due to having 6 laps less fuel in the car... with the weight after the stop Lewis would have come out in front.

Having said that I agree - boring race for the most part - few incidents though!

[FFOUR]

28-09-2009, 08:33 AM

Meh. Boring race.

Suzuka should be good, can't wait!

fourseven

28-09-2009, 11:09 AM

Fixed :)

Damn straight!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78995

Massa will also return in Brazil.

satch

28-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Massa will visit, seriously doubt he will race.

Found it amusing that the italian press would criticise Raikkonen, dont see anyone else picking up points for Ferrari recently.

I imagine he is fed up of life at Ferrari as well.

Sully

28-09-2009, 02:34 PM

i'm looking forward to kimi v hamilton at mclaren or more importantly those two, plus alonso and massa at ferrari. epic battles coming up next year. just gotta hope that all the old tracks stay put and we get no more of these gay new tracks that don't allow for any overtaking.

28-09-2009, 02:40 PM

Imagine if Brawn and RBR once again build decent cars, and McLaren and Ferrari step up to the plate..

4 team battle for the WDC/CC would be EPIC.

Sully

28-09-2009, 03:50 PM

would probably be one of the lowest scoring championships ever because everyone would be stealing points from each other. share the points for the season over 8 drivers instead of the 4 that it's been this year and suddenly EVERY opportunity counts

Wrexter

28-09-2009, 04:22 PM

All i can say is that i can't wait for next year.

A year that will be a true test to all great teams and drivers and i can guarantee you that button, vettel or webber will not be up there on the ranks.

Mark my words, next year the competition will be between Massa/Alonso/Rosberg/Hamilton

with Button and Kimi behind.

28-09-2009, 04:35 PM

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hami_mcla_sing_2009-4.jpg

More of that please

fourseven

28-09-2009, 05:36 PM

with Button and Kimi behind.

Big call!

If driver orders don't play into it, I see Kimi teaching Lewis how to drive. New (old) team, new car, new strategy... probably the only things that can motivate him to win another WDC.

Button is unpredictable, and with Ross Brawn at the helm and money/sponsorship not an issue anymore they will be a team to watch out for.

Sully

28-09-2009, 05:48 PM

i think kimi and hamilton will be very closely matched. he seems to be at his best when he's got something new to play with or when he has a point to prove. new team (sort of), shooting down alonso/ferrari, take on the current golden boy of F1 head to head. i reckon he'll be in the running for sure next year.

Wrexter

28-09-2009, 07:53 PM

I see Kimi teaching Lewis how to drive..

Haha, i dont think so mate. Lewis will outperform Kimi as he did to Alonso.

Call me biased, but my opinion is Lewis is the best driver on the field and the most deserving champion.

fourseven

28-09-2009, 08:29 PM

Haha, i dont think so mate. Lewis will outperform Kimi as he did to Alonso.

Call me biased, but my opinion is Lewis is the best driver on the field and the most deserving champion.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hamilton and Alonso finished on even points the year they drove together. How did Hamilton outperform him? We could get into how Lewis got preferential treatment as well... F1's worst kept secret. The only way Hamilton outperformed Alonso is winning the "how many times can my dad get shown on camera" competition.

Results wise, best driver this season is Button. Statistically it's Alonso. That's all anyone can go on when deciding who is the 'best' on field.

28-09-2009, 08:35 PM

iluv2moan

28-09-2009, 08:50 PM

28-09-2009, 09:02 PM

Depends on the car - can Adrian Newey push the package further to keep them up front - even in recent races they have dropped off the dominant pace they had.

fourseven

28-09-2009, 09:09 PM

It will be close - but I do believe the 3 seasons in McLaren will have the team galvanised behind Lewis.

Kimi left them, some wont forget that quite yet.

Hahah 4/7. you letting your Alonso love get ahead of you - Lewis had to learn tracks, f1 cars in general etc etc - in his rookie year he nearly won the WDC.

As for treatment, how quickly you forget it was Lewis who was leashed in Monaco to let Fernando win :)

Haha I love Alonso because he let me win a couple of laps in Melbourne! 2 back to back WDCs, both up against God.

I remember Monaco. Lewis' behaviour and abuse towards Ron Dennis was typical of Hamilton. Alonso is an all-round quality champion, Lucky Lewis is simply a champion points winner without much quality.

28-09-2009, 09:30 PM

LOL all round quality ?

Blackmailing your own team?
Questionable involvement in a fixed race.

Come on man, be real, and admit he isnt perfect either.

BUT, neither is Lewis - liegate was a very very poor move.

Brett_J

28-09-2009, 09:36 PM

This year has been so inconsistent its hard to say how anyone will go next year, seriously who would have picked Brawn to be so dominant, they werent even listed in the Official F1 Magazine in Melbourne.
Each week the Qualifying and podium have wielded results that have suprised everyone.
Not like recent years with consistant domination.

Lonewolf

28-09-2009, 09:51 PM

not to mention the trend of 2 different types of car, suited to different tracks due to different downforce setups

28-09-2009, 10:01 PM

Massive rule changes have bought a topsy turvy season - but its clear that Brawn has probably been the most consistent car.

Look at Williams - sans the mistake, Rosberg was chasing Lewis hard at Singapore, but was NOWHERE in Monza.

BMW have probably been the biggest let down - they threw away 08 to chase 09 and fucked it royally.

McLaren and Ferrari was so busy with 08 they missed the 09 boat, but what an incredible turnaround for them - from last by a mile to consistent front runners almost. Shame they didnt work it out before Silverstone, as Lewis has scored the most points since Hungary.

Look at Force India - could have almost won two races had it not been for Kimi.

Torro Rosso has probably been the most consistent.. in the slow stakes.

Crimson

28-09-2009, 10:04 PM

Wow - lots of Alonso/Hamilton wank going on here. Kimi back at McLaren should prove interesting - he's not a fan of the whole sponsor/promotional commitments that McLaren are pretty big on. I don't think he'll have much trouble with Lewis either - Kimi's a more natural driver. He's just gotta care about pushing that extra bit to make up the difference. We'll see if he still has the passion for it.

Next year should be epic - I'm still torn though over Ferrari and their choice of drivers. Not a Massa fan and I just can't get behind Alonso either. Just something about him doesn't appeal to me as a driver.

Agreed on Vettel though - given a half-decent car he'll show up again and again. He's coming up through the ranks quickly.

fourseven

28-09-2009, 10:10 PM

Wrexter

28-09-2009, 10:13 PM

Depends on the car - can Adrian Newey push the package further to keep them up front - even in recent races they have dropped off the dominant pace they had.

hence why i left them off the list.

28-09-2009, 10:16 PM

Yeah but you never write them off - Newey has been the greatest aero man in the sport over 20 odd years.

Sully

28-09-2009, 11:13 PM

i don't have a favourite driver or even a favourite team in F1, because of that i like to think i'm pretty unbiassed. i think hamilton is going to have his work cut out for him next season against kimi. if you look just purely at speed and laptimes, kimi has so many fastest laps to his name in a car which hasn't been the fastest one out there for quite a while. i still think he and alonso are the 2 best drivers out there. hamilton is very very very good but i don't quite think he's up there yet. he still makes silly mistakes like pushing too hard when he knows or should know where the limit is, things like that.

i really do hope it's more than 2 teams going for the title next year. haven't really seen that in aaaaaages

fourseven

29-09-2009, 12:24 AM

It is believed that Hamilton, as well as his father and manager Anthony, are not keen on the prospect of lining up with 29-year-old Raikkonen.

"At the moment I'm very happy with how things are in the team but we have to see what happens," said Hamilton.

Haha. What's wrong Lucky, getting nervous?

:)

Moreover, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo now rarely mentions the name of the team's Finnish driver, and on Thursday the Italian came tantalisingly close to letting the cat out of the bag.

Speaking with Spanish reporters at an event in Madrid, he said in a video posted on the website of the sports newspaper Marca: "We are very happy about having so many fans in Spain, and next year, with Alonso..."

Montezemolo stopped himself, laughed, and pointed a finger at the similarly-amused ranks of pressmen.

Later, he said: "I can confirm that Massa will be the first driver, and the third driver will be Giancarlo Fisichella.

"After Singapore, Stefano Domenicali and I will meet and decide who will be (in the) second car. Soon we will make the announcement," said Montezemolo.

And there you have it.

Here's the video: http://www.marca.com/2009/09/24/motor/formula1/1253819177.html

29-09-2009, 06:52 AM

LOL how did you get that Lewis is scared from him saying he is happy ?

Surely he isnt going to blurt out "fark me heikki is a useless twat, get rid of him"

Imagine the media frenzy !

fourseven

29-09-2009, 08:37 AM

LOL how did you get that Lewis is scared from him saying he is happy ?

Imagine the media frenzy !

I was referring to him and his dad not being happy lining up against Kimi.

iluv2moan

29-09-2009, 08:51 AM

i thought he dumped he dumped his pussycat doll missus??

fourseven

29-09-2009, 09:00 AM

i thought he dumped he dumped his pussycat doll missus??

Fuck knows, but I wish they would ban his dad from the the pit. Sick of seeing his ugly mug every 5 seconds. Is this F1 or the Hamilton show? Shits me to tears.

29-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Yeah but you cant blame Lewis for that - not like he slips the producer a 100 and says "make sure you show my dad"

Or maybe he does!

Adr3naL1N

29-09-2009, 11:04 AM

they show nicole scherzinger more then his dad, with all good reason though ;) or maybe his dad just comes up when they are trying to find nicole in his teams garage? i dont mind if they cut to her every 5 minutes :)

i watched the singapore gp in my drunken state after getting home from parklife, pretty cruisey drive for hamilton.

satch

29-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Regardless, Hamilton knows he will have a more formidable opponent in Kimi than he has had in Heikki. Might remind him of the Alonso days.

What really interests me is that if Kimi is heading back to Mclaren, it means hes not leaving F1 anytime soon contrary to belief. Will be atleast a 2-3 year contract, cant see Mclaren signing him for just 1 year.

In regards to cars and performance, everything turns again next year with the no refuelling rule. Its going to be all about who can hustle a heavy car without chewing through tyres.

29-09-2009, 11:17 AM

no stops for fuel, but there will be for tyres.... still going to be tons of strategy to play out.

Wrexter

29-09-2009, 11:41 AM

no stops for fuel, but there will be for tyres.... still going to be tons of strategy to play out.

shorter pitstops FTW

FranZ

29-09-2009, 01:03 PM

3 second pitstops again!

satch

29-09-2009, 02:28 PM

strategy wise wont be much in it imo, they will still need to run the 2 compounds, its all going to be about tyre management and fuel efficiency of engines.

fourseven

30-09-2009, 06:45 PM

Felipe back on the track.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1010/32943072.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/258/32942998.jpg

Wrexter

30-09-2009, 11:10 PM

Alonso confirmed for a 3 year deal at Ferrari!

Will definately be a catalyst for other driver announcements.

fourseven will be happy :P

Sully

30-09-2009, 11:12 PM

was just about to post that up! i'll bet kimi has cash coming out his arse now

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090930164339.shtml

01-10-2009, 12:11 AM

Worst secret confirmed.

Now the 2010 market can move.

fourseven

01-10-2009, 07:50 AM

I hope McLaren sign Kimi next year, otherwise it's going to be a very Ferrari season.

01-10-2009, 08:00 AM

I hope McLaren sign Kimi next year, otherwise it's going to be a very Ferrari season if they can build a decent car again and McLaren, Brawn, RBR dont. They may lose both titles anyhow because Fred will get emo that Massa is quick and threaten to blackmail the team

Fixed for truth :)

fourseven

01-10-2009, 08:16 AM

He can blackmail all he wants, but Fred is in a team now where the number 1 driver is supported by God himself. His blackmail will get him nowhere.

Even if Brawn and RBR build decent cars, I still don't think they will be able to match McLaren and Ferrari on experience, technical support and strategy.

Bring on 2010 though... it's going to be a blast!

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7046/alonsoferrarisuitsopt.jpg

fourseven

01-10-2009, 08:19 AM

Out of interest, anyone planning on going to Melbourne for round 2 next year?

fourseven

01-10-2009, 09:06 AM

Driver moves already being confirmed...

Barrichello is moving to Williams with rookie Nico Hulkenberg, with Rosberg heading to Brawn GP and Button staying onboard. Kubica and Kovalainen are off to Renault.

01-10-2009, 09:21 AM

Jesus christ how quick has the market moved!

Heikki back to renault? Hahaha!!

And on your point.. Ross Brawn and strategy.. bad call man! He is a legend for it.

01-10-2009, 09:22 AM

And imagine if Rubens wins the title and takes #1 to Williams!

fourseven

01-10-2009, 09:26 AM

And on your point.. Ross Brawn and strategy.. bad call man! He is a legend for it.

Very true. But it's as much the driver being able to put his strategy into play, something I don't think Button has been able to do 100% yet.

redline07

01-10-2009, 10:10 AM

Brawn is a genius, but it also helped having Shuey.
'Do 20 laps at qualifying speed'
'Yeah, OK'

Crimson

01-10-2009, 12:51 PM

Brawn is a genius, but it also helped having Shuey.
'Do 20 laps at qualifying speed'
'Yeah, OK'

Too bloody right. Brawn was and still is a genius, but you're only as good as the tools at hand. If I had a man-crush on anyone - it was Schumacher. Still miss him.

Can't believe it's actually happened - Alonso at Ferrari. Massa is pretty bland in my eyes - could mostly ignore him, but Alonso? I'm a seriously conflicted tifosi now.

fourseven

01-10-2009, 01:06 PM

I don't think Massa is going to have any trouble with Alonso. If Alonso tries to pull any crap he will get put in his place pretty quickly because there is still 1 man that calls most of the shots in that team and he's standing strong behind Massa.

Another year or 2 under Schumacher's wing and Massa will have a WDC. Alonso has 3 years to show his greatness. If he leaves Ferrari without a WDC then there is no hope for him. If you can't win in a red car you can't win.

Sully

01-10-2009, 01:12 PM

as long as the car isn't a dog next year i'm 99% sure that alonso will win the championship. if tab was taking money on it now i'd have money down. the 1% that i'm unsure of is random freak occurrences like getting belted in the head by a spring or villneuve coming back and pulling a miracle out of his arse :lol:

fourseven

01-10-2009, 01:16 PM

r villneuve coming back and pulling a miracle out of his arse :lol:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/363567/f1_villneuve_vs_arnoux/

:lol:

Brockas

01-10-2009, 02:04 PM

01-10-2009, 02:12 PM

Sounds right so far.

Torro Rosso have confirmed both drivers also apparently.

Force India will be Sutil + ?

USF1 rumoured to be Marco Andretti + ?

fourseven

01-10-2009, 02:16 PM

USF1 rumoured to be Marco Andretti + ?

DANICA PATRICK!

:zzz:

01-10-2009, 02:21 PM

She would be so very very very embarrassed by the experience.

fourseven

01-10-2009, 02:23 PM

The last I read, USF1 have several candidates:

Danica Patrick (is being evaluated closely)
Scott Speed (NASCAR, has driven for Toro Rosso)
Conor Daly (son of F1 driver Derek Daly)
Josef Newgarden (fuck knows who he is, European racer or some shiz)

Force India has said it will likely remain with Sutil and Liuzzi with Karun Chandhok in as a test driver.

Sully

01-10-2009, 02:27 PM

there's also a lot of weight to be thrown behind the idea that these new teams should be going for drivers with a bit of F1 experience seeings as the testing bans are still in. i'd imagine it would be hard to get things right if the entire team is just taking an epic stab in the dark. that said, fresh minds might come up with something new and better.

01-10-2009, 02:28 PM

fourseven

01-10-2009, 02:33 PM

Danica is being considered but she just signed a deal for Andretti Green Racing to stay in IRL and is apparently going to sign up an option to go to Nascar?

She is being used as free hype to get sponsors. She does not deserve a test in a f1 car let alone a race.

She tested with Honda in November last year before they pulled out. "Full scale F1 test" they called it. Reports said she did very well... who knows?

I'm already feeling that the USF1 side is going to come in thinking they can take the sport by storm. The Yanks love to think the money and power they have can instantly dominate anything they touch. I imagine they will be in for a surprise.

When Kimi wipes the floor with Lewis next year perhaps Lewis can become driver 1 in 2011 for USF1.

:slap:

01-10-2009, 02:37 PM

Pound for pound, thats going to be epic.

Massa and Alonso too.

Kubica versus Heikki - in equal cars it will be interesting to see just how good Robert is... or how bad heikki is.

Brawn will be a awesome battle - a potential WDC versus someone who has ALOT to prove.

And who will fill toyota's shoes? Will their even be toyota's to fill?

Wrexter

01-10-2009, 03:18 PM

So, if I've got this correct, next year we have:

Ferrari:
1. Massa
2. Alonso

Mclaren:
1. Hamilton
2. Raikkonen

Brawn:
1. Button
2. Rosberg

Red Bull:
1. Vettel
2. Webber

Williams:
1. Barrichello
2. Hulkenberg

Renault:
1. Kubica
2. Kovalainen

Arent they going to stick with Romain Grojean for the 2nd spot in Renault?

Nothing confirmed though, alonso's move to ferrari is the only thing confirmed at the moment, everything else is educated rumour.

fourseven

01-10-2009, 03:24 PM

Arent they going to stick with Romain Grojean for the 2nd spot in Renault?

Nothing confirmed though, alonso's move to ferrari is the only thing confirmed at the moment, everything else is educated rumour.

He was merely a fill in, and a move that was solely the responsibility of Flavio. I don't see him retaining a seat when there are much better drivers available on the market.

F1 secrets are hard to keep because there are so many people involved. International television is a wonderful thing to watch because they seem to know whats going on months before anyone else. I'd say most of these educated rumours will get up.

01-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Romain hasnt really been brilliant so far.. .

fourseven

01-10-2009, 03:32 PM

Glock rubbishes Toyota exit talk:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79078

satch

01-10-2009, 04:09 PM

Danica;s going to NASCAR or will stay in Indy

Apparently there is talk of USF1 not making the grid at all next year.

fourseven

01-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Ferrari have released a statement as to why they've let Kimi go.

They just simply couldn't afford his drink supply any longer.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x47/igor_18_2007/kimi-raikkonens-drink-supply.jpg

fourseven

01-10-2009, 10:45 PM

Raikkonen says he might leave F1:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082

I call bullshit, but who knows.

Sully

01-10-2009, 11:09 PM

in short, if he can't get a good deal at a good team then he'll bail. i can't imagine he'll be short on options. say what you want about him but he's easily one of the best drivers on the grid. there's seats open at good teams. he'll stay in f1

Sully

01-10-2009, 11:12 PM

Crimson

02-10-2009, 02:30 AM

bmw's crap season keeps being crap

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/091001160451.shtml

the 8 engines bought along for the weekend fell off the back of a truck. no obvious damage but there is still the possibility of internal damage, mainly the valve train.

8 of the engines they brought along for the race are damaged, not the ones intended for use though. Spares etc.

It is reported that the engines to be used in the race by the BMW Sauber drivers were not in the affected container.

02-10-2009, 11:01 AM

Heikki finally wins something - p1 in p1. Mixed conditions.

macksrallye

02-10-2009, 01:18 PM

It seems Toyota are chasing a Kubica/Raikkonen driver line-up

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79109

If successful will we see a Toyota on the top step, with Kimi maybe (and a rather large maybe), but thats about it.

iluv2moan

02-10-2009, 01:31 PM

Raikkonen says he might leave F1:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082

I call bullshit, but who knows.

if i had to guess - id say his leaving.

02-10-2009, 01:35 PM

No chance - Toyota also expressing interest in him. So he has options.

fourseven

02-10-2009, 02:00 PM

I'd put more money on him leaving than going to Toyota. Kimi is hot shit, and he knows it - McLaren or Brawn for him. There is nowhere else worthy.

satch

02-10-2009, 04:49 PM

iluv2moan

02-10-2009, 05:35 PM

hes already come out and said hes not interested in anything else but a championship winning car, rather than pottering around the midfield.

So agreed it will be most likely Mclaren, as Rosbergs apparently going to Brawn, or it will be rallying

impossible to predict whos a race winning car before the season starts though...

who knew brawn 'is' going to be the winning car this year??

his body language looks like his not interested in f1. would like to think that he enjoys driving an f1 car however the only reason he is there is to win champsionships.

Crimson

02-10-2009, 06:08 PM

His body language NEVER looked like he really cared whether he was there or not. He only really starts to look like he's having a good time when he's on the top step of the podium (hell, he looks bored on the second or third step), or with a drink or icecream in his hand.

McLaren would be crazy not to take him back.

Wrexter

02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

impossible to predict whos a race winning car before the season starts though...

who knew brawn 'is' going to be the winning car this year??

Not true, if you follow the sport closely you could tell that Honda/Brawn were going to be competition.

Millions of dollars, more time than any other team and Ross Brawn at the helm, most knew they were going to be competitive.

i can only hope mclaren and Ferrari are ascompetitive as Brawn and Redbull next year so we can see an awesome championship campaign

fourseven

02-10-2009, 06:38 PM

would like to think that he enjoys driving an f1 car however the only reason he is there is to win champsionships.

The only reason any of them are there is to win championships.

I don't think any F1 driver can say they enjoy driving every race. It's a job, and like most jobs it would have its low points. Think about it - every weekend, everybody would be disappointed with their job (all except 3 of them standing on the podium) EVERY race.

satch

02-10-2009, 11:33 PM

impossible to predict whos a race winning car before the season starts though...

who knew brawn 'is' going to be the winning car this year??

his body language looks like his not interested in f1. would like to think that he enjoys driving an f1 car however the only reason he is there is to win champsionships.

You would be stupid not to bet on either Ferrari or Mclaren not being there. That was the point i was trying to make, that if hes not in what would be considered a top team with big resources i dont think hell bother.

iluv2moan

03-10-2009, 08:10 AM

You would be stupid not to bet on either Ferrari or Mclaren not being there

did u say that last year as well??

sitting 3rd and forth miles behind redbull and brawn.

satch

03-10-2009, 08:54 AM

honestly, yes to an extent.

Brawn had started their car nearly a year in advance of the rest of the teams, and with the technical genius of Adrian Newey Red bull had been showing flashes of brilliance in past years.

Last year/This year isnt really a good example as the rules were changed and the whole double diffuser saga. Its not surprise that the two teams who suffered the most were fighting it out for the championship to the last race.

It'll be another year or more before it really settles down, had Ferrari not decided early in the season to devote their design to next years car and Mclaren sussed out their aero problems who knows.

Point being you want to be with a team who has the resources and people to claw time back, such as Mclaren or Ferrari, not Toyota for e.g. who have massive budgets yet run around all year not knowing why the car works and doesnt work and who have achieved nothing in 9 years.

If anything the only team that genuinely surprised me were BMW. Considering they started early too and yet were still at the back of the grid this year.

03-10-2009, 09:29 AM

BMW just fucked the concept more then others.

McLaren underestimated the amount of downforce they would need, then got blown out of the water by some brilliant cars. Yet they have managed to find 2.5 seconds in a season with NO testing. Thats why you want to be with a team like them.

fourseven

03-10-2009, 12:10 PM

Take away KERS and it would be the usual Ferrari vs McLaren at the front. Simple as that.

In other news... Bernard Ferguson has joined USF1:

The new Team US F1 has received a boost in its preparations for next year by recruiting former Cosworth director of motorsport Bernard Ferguson, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

US F1 is pressing ahead with readying its 2010 challenger, with a first rolling chassis due to be finished later this month, and it has drafted in Ferguson to help as a consultant in building its technical relationship with its new engine supplier Cosworth.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79158

fourseven

03-10-2009, 12:29 PM

Webber is out of qualifying, will start the race from the pit lane.

Good going.

Adam

03-10-2009, 12:47 PM

Sweet, qualifying live on ONEHD at 12.55pm...

fourseven

03-10-2009, 01:50 PM

Those gravel traps are doing fuck all.

fourseven

03-10-2009, 02:35 PM

Vettel
Trulli
Hamilton
Sutil
Barrichello
Heidfeld
Button
Raikkonen

Crimson

03-10-2009, 02:53 PM

Gravel traps were a joke - Degner 2 is the place to be if you're in Japan this weekend! :D

03-10-2009, 03:19 PM

One of the most incredible qualifying sessions of the past decade.

Banana_Beast

03-10-2009, 03:37 PM

Take away KERS and it would be the usual Ferrari vs McLaren at the front. Simple as that.

have you forgotten that they are the only teams running KERS, and they are still being beaten. Red bull and Force India are the teams to be at the moment, but for me it is still COME ON BRAWN

03-10-2009, 03:48 PM

What he meant was that they designed their cars to suit kers - and this is what made them slow.

Without they would of had much better cars ... and probably been up front.

Banana_Beast

03-10-2009, 03:58 PM

oh, yeah we will definately see who is ahead next season

fourseven

03-10-2009, 04:03 PM

have you forgotten that they are the only teams running KERS

As TJ said, KERS meant that McLaren and Ferrari literally built their cars around KERS and focussed on getting it running while pretty much every other team focussed on the entire car without having to adjust much else. KERS development messed up aerodynamics, fuel rig setup, part placement, weight distribution etc.

McLaren have obviously found some form with continual development of the car AROUND the KERS setup, while Ferrari have packed it in to focus on the 2010 season when KERS will hopefully be abolished. Either way, if next year isn't a KERS season then the engineering genius behind both McLaren and Ferrari will shine. If they decide to enforce KERS use next season McLaren and Ferrari will shine, because they already dedicated so much to development.

fourseven

03-10-2009, 04:10 PM

This could seriously set back both Brawn GP drivers tomorrow:

Fernando Alonso insisted Formula 1 rules state drivers must lift off when they see a yellow flag on track after several men improved their laptimes when the yellow was out during qualifying for the Japanese Grand Prix.

The FIA is believed to have summoned six drivers, including Alonso, to analyse their actions in the dying moments of the second qualifying segment, when Toro Rosso's Sebastien Buemi had crashed, leaving lots of debris - including a front wing - on the straight.

Both Barrichello and Button finished hard on yellow flags.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79170

03-10-2009, 04:21 PM

They should be penalised.

fourseven

03-10-2009, 04:26 PM

They went into Q3 with heavy fuel loads, so they are obviously anticipating a penalty.

Crimson

03-10-2009, 04:33 PM

They went into Q3 with heavy fuel loads, so they are obviously anticipating a penalty.

I doubt they went into Q3 thinking they were going to qualify around a potential penalty. The fuel load will just be part of their strategy. Should be interesting to see what happens though. At least a couple of the drivers were definitely flat out through there despite the new chicane courtesy of Buemi. I'm surprised nobody picked up a puncture actually - lots of little sharp carbon-fibre bits all over the track.

Wrexter

03-10-2009, 05:42 PM

have you forgotten that they are the only teams running KERS, and they are still being beaten. Red bull and Force India are the teams to be at the moment, but for me it is still COME ON BRAWN

Force india is no in no way the team to be at the moment. They had a good run at spa and monza but thats about it, maybe suzuka with sutil in top 10 but we will see.

The team to be in right now is mclaren and brawn. those 2 are the most consistent.

If mclaren had been just as competetive as brawn from the get go, quarantee you lewis would be champion, but brawn would still win constructors since heiki is shit.

fourseven

03-10-2009, 05:49 PM

The team to be in right now is mclaren and brawn. those 2 are the most consistent.

Not even close. Brawn and RBR are the most consistent overall. The results show that.

Pretty much top 5 every race for at least one of the RBR drivers, and Brawn stormed the start of the season.

Unless you are talking about McLaren being consistently shit. :lol:

03-10-2009, 06:05 PM

fourseven

03-10-2009, 06:10 PM

LOL consistently shit?

Since Hungary, Hamilton has outscored the field.. had he been 5 seconds quicker early on in Monza he would have won that too - had he not had a tyre issue in Valencia he would have won that too...

Not too bad for a car 2.5 seconds off the pace in Melbourne :)

As a team, they are consistently shit. More Kovaleinen's fault for sure, but a team is a team! Even you can agree that they aren't in the top 2 for consistency.

And if we are going to play the what if game... what if the safety car hadn't been bought out in Singapore last year when Piquet deliberately crashed, Hamilton might have joined the other 6 that hit the wall and scored 0 points, losing him the championship. But let's not go there shall we. :wave:

:lol:

03-10-2009, 06:49 PM

Last year Ferrari and McLaren were fighting for a world title on two fronts - this year they have had to battle from the rear - tell me whos done a better job

p.s youve only got one guy scoring points for your team too ;)

this is big though - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79191

Button could be in for a rough arvo - ferrari with kers right behind, and a Torro Rosso which wont be fast in front - then rubens.. and vettel leading.

WDC is not over yet!

Sully

03-10-2009, 07:00 PM

not only is fisi behind him with kers but kovalainen is just behind him too. 2 kers cars, one beside, one behind. he's going to have a shitty day i think. if he leapfrogs rubens in the pit stops again there might be blood on those white race suits :lol:

i'll be interested to see what webber does. i would assume that he'll be running heavy and do a 1 stop race but we've already seen that a heavy red bull car will bottom out and crash around here so that might not be the best of ideas.

03-10-2009, 07:06 PM

Yeah but heikki is so shit somehow he will be last by turn 4.

iluv2moan

03-10-2009, 07:08 PM

i'll be interested to see what webber does. i would assume that he'll be running heavy and do a 1 stop race but we've already seen that a heavy red bull car will bottom out and crash around here so that might not be the best of ideas.

pretty good odds that he will actually finish in a better position then he qualifys in this race.... still wouldnt put any money on it though haha

Bomber

03-10-2009, 07:52 PM

I know it's like their home track, but I'm glad Jarno is at the pointy end and I think it is very good for motorsport that Toyota are beginning to see some results in F1, well at least from one driver LOL.

Predicting:
1) Hamilton
2) Trulli
3) Vettel

9) Webber

iluv2moan

03-10-2009, 08:10 PM

They went into Q3 with heavy fuel loads, so they are obviously anticipating a penalty.

wished i stayed home rather then goign to the drifts but brawns dont look heavy

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 658.5kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 655.5
3. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 656
4. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 660
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 661
6. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 675
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 684.5
8. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 686
9. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 650
10. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 660.5
11. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 682.5
12. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 658.5
13. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 661.5
14. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 665.4
15. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 695.7
16. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 691.8
17. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 689.5
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 682.5
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, n/a
20. Mark Webber, Red Bull, n/a

will love to see

1. vettel
2. hamilton
3. kimi

Banana_Beast

03-10-2009, 08:17 PM

vettel could out pace hamilton anyday, hamilton is an overrated racer that just happened to walk into a good team.

vettel would of had a very good chance of taking out singapore, had the stewards not incorrectly penalised him for speeding in the pitlane

My pick would be
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen

03-10-2009, 08:26 PM

LOL put the fucking pipe down and go look at some real world results.

His drive in GP2 - Turkey 2006 - shows why he is one of the best racers in the world today.

iluv2moan

03-10-2009, 08:56 PM

My pick would be
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen

u didnt just copy my podium places did ya??

Bomber

03-10-2009, 09:05 PM

LOL put the fucking pipe down and go look at some real world results.

His drive in GP2 - Turkey 2006 - shows why he is one of the best racers in the world today.

The one where he tried his best to do an impression of Alex Zanardi??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qo

Banana_Beast

03-10-2009, 09:06 PM

nah i was typing as you posted, noticed your picks just after i posted:lol:

fourseven

03-10-2009, 09:51 PM

vettel could out pace hamilton anyday, hamilton is an overrated

Haha even I don't agree with that and I'm the biggest hater out.

iluv2moan

03-10-2009, 09:57 PM

The one where he tried his best to do an impression of Alex Zanardi??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qo

damn - thought that was highlights from a whole season there!

action packed race

Brett_J

03-10-2009, 10:14 PM

Hamiltons got skill, that burns me to say that, I fucking hate him, its his attitude that sux, reminds me of mundine.
Kimi > Hamilton anyday though :)

Skipmaster J

04-10-2009, 02:57 AM

Toyota are beginning to see some results in F1, well at least from one driver LOL.

Glock got on the podium at Singapore and now Trulli on front row... Glock would've set a fast time in Q3 too as he was right on Trulli's pace before he crashed out. So it's definitely not one fast driver at the moment

04-10-2009, 03:19 AM

The one where he tried his best to do an impression of Alex Zanardi??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qo

In is CART days, Alex once came off the road at Vancouver, a tight street circuit, and lost a lap .

He then charged through the field and picked them off one by one by one to win the race.

satch

04-10-2009, 10:46 AM

AS report teams are set to reject 14th team, spewin wouldnt want to be the new owners of BMW Sauber if thats the case.

Glocks out for the race too, obviously more than a minor gash as previously reported.

Wrexter

04-10-2009, 10:53 AM

i'll be interested to see what webber does.

He'll crash......somehow, somewhere, for some reason!

Bomber

04-10-2009, 10:56 AM

Glock got on the podium at Singapore and now Trulli on front row... Glock would've set a fast time in Q3 too as he was right on Trulli's pace before he crashed out. So it's definitely not one fast driver at the moment

That's what I mean, they are only getting one car right at any one time, sometimes neither...... but it is still good to see them getting results as it will keep the board happy and they will want to continue racing (throwing money in).

In is CART days, Alex once came off the road at Vancouver, a tight street circuit, and lost a lap .

He then charged through the field and picked them off one by one by one to win the race.
No doubt Zanardi was a freak too!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x68bwj_alex-zanardi-vs-bryan-herta-unbelie_auto
However by impression I meant getting t-boned after a spin by someone doing some high speed. Poor bastard lost his lower legs.......and still can drive faster than me ahaha. Is it a DTM Mercedes Benz that he races now??? With steering wheel controls in place of pedals?

04-10-2009, 11:01 AM

BMW in the WTCC - and does a damn good job of it.

Amazing man - reading what he went through - hell and back literally.

Wrexter

04-10-2009, 11:01 AM

vettel could out pace hamilton anyday, hamilton is an overrated racer that just happened to walk into a good team.

you know thats the same thing all of them have been saying since his debut and they are consistently being proven wrong.

sure he was in a good car, but not only did he match (and almost beat alonso if that fucker didnt block him in hungary) his 2 time world champion team mate, he also beat kimi and massa in the Ferraris (both drivers with lots of exp).

Last year without a question the ferrari was the fastest car on the field.

only time will tell however if he is a true champion, but your statement goes against all the results and frankly it seems its just out of spite.

04-10-2009, 11:05 AM

The above link is game set and match for any hater calls - those cars have the same engine, tyres and chassis. All of that was pure driving.

iluv2moan

04-10-2009, 11:23 AM

He'll crash......somehow, somewhere, for some reason!

due to servere lack of concentration from having to overtake people

fourseven

04-10-2009, 11:48 AM

only time will tell however if he is a true champion

WOW! A Hamilton fan lifting off the pedal to suggest that maybe he hasn't proven his worth yet. I'm fucking impressed!

04-10-2009, 12:25 PM

http://www.justin.tv/thunderbunny

bbc pre race > ten pre race

fourseven

04-10-2009, 01:18 PM

Webber fail!

fourseven

04-10-2009, 02:58 PM

Vettel smashed it.

04-10-2009, 03:00 PM

What a shitful boring race.

Well done to Seb, Mark must be pissed.

How does fucking Button manage to get away with it again!

iluv2moan

04-10-2009, 03:01 PM

webber didnt disappoint - starts last - finishes last....

Brockas

04-10-2009, 03:15 PM

sets fastest lap time

pity he stuffed P3, should have been on the podium.

fourseven

04-10-2009, 03:19 PM

sets fastest lap time

pity he stuffed P3, should have been on the podium.

Yep, I reckon he would've been on the second or third step with ease.

Brett_J

04-10-2009, 03:25 PM

Yep Boring race
Sif Webber would have been podium quality, why pingpingpingpings think he's WDC material still I dont know, seriously theres a difference of having national pride and burning your lips on the crackpipe.

Lonewolf

04-10-2009, 03:32 PM

had an obviously fast car, despite the 200 pit stops and putting it into the wall in practice.
I agree, would have been fighting for a podium at least.

rest of the race was pretty boring, Suzuka goes off when its wet

iluv2moan

04-10-2009, 03:42 PM

webber never had a chance. all those comments above are just excuses...

love the commentators

"will be good to see him win the champsionship - is in with a chance"

*3 months later*

"would be nice to see him atleast finish 3rd"... making it out like he still has a chance to beat vettel.

dude will be lucky to finish 4th!

kimi to win next round and put webber in his place

fourseven

04-10-2009, 03:54 PM

Sif Webber would have been podium quality, why pingpingpingpings think he's WDC material still I dont know, seriously theres a difference of having national pride and burning your lips on the crackpipe.

The car had the pace. End of story.

I didn't say he was WDC material, personally I think he shouldn't even have a seat. But when the car is up to the task all you have to do is peddle. Even he could've achieved a podium in a RBR car at this track.

fourseven

04-10-2009, 03:55 PM

kimi to win next round and put webber in his place

Never happen. Kimi was lucky to get where he did today. Remember, Ferrari have stopped development completely, MONTHS ago. Driver skill will only get you so far.

Brett_J

04-10-2009, 04:02 PM

I honestly believe webber would have fucked it even if he did start at front, waste of space, of course he set lap record, hewas so far behind he had clean air and no one to crash into :).

Im massive Kimi fan, but if he gets within podium placement it will be a miracle, its like Ferrari just dont care about him anymore, the car was so skatey at Singapore,he was doing well not to bin it,sure they've stopped development,but fuck manufacturer standings still mean something,considering he is almost to thank for most of them now,They dont deserve him, they'll find out with captain arrogant next year what a mistake it was.

iluv2moan

04-10-2009, 04:10 PM

i doubt kimi will win another race this season bu this the closet behind webber so ill cross my fingers

Brockas

04-10-2009, 04:33 PM

hewas so far behind he had clean air and no one to crash into :)

Just like Vettel.

Brockas

04-10-2009, 04:34 PM

i doubt kimi will win another race this season bu this the closet behind webber so ill cross my fingers

Why do you hate webber so much?

4th in drivers standings, doing pretty well IMO.

Crimson

04-10-2009, 04:48 PM

I was thinking about Webber and his own personal brand of luck before the race - and then he cemented it himself. Start from pit lane - then pit to fix his head rest. Go back out, then pit again with a puncture. Seriously - I know some people say you make your own luck, but if that's true, this poor bastard needs a new recipe!

iluv2moan

04-10-2009, 04:58 PM

Why do you hate webber so much?

4th in drivers standings, doing pretty well IMO.

talked up and over rated..

id say his pretty lucky to be 4th

Wrexter

04-10-2009, 05:01 PM

WOW! A Hamilton fan lifting off the pedal to suggest that maybe he hasn't proven his worth yet. I'm fucking impressed!

Haha im waiting for next season.

If Lewis wins the WC, there is no way in hell you will be able to pull me off my high horse ;P

fourseven

04-10-2009, 05:07 PM

Haha im waiting for next season.

If Lewis wins the WC, there is no way in hell you will be able to pull me off my high horse ;P

I have no doubt that Lewis will win another WDC in his career, I just don't think it will happen in the next 3 years.

04-10-2009, 06:40 PM

You HOPE its not in the next 3 ;)

fourseven

04-10-2009, 09:20 PM

Interesting rumour.

The hottest rumour at the Suzuka circuit on Saturday is that McLaren is contemplating splitting completely with Mercedes at the end of the season.

Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that the Woking based team's plan, masterminded by chairman and former team boss Ron Dennis, is to buy BMW's formula one engine division from the withdrawing German carmaker in order to go it alone as an independent chassis and engine constructor.

The move would clear the path for Mercedes to completely concentrate on its intensifying partnership with Brawn, with Dennis thought not keen on the prospect of taking a back seat to Mercedes' new favourite.

McLaren has an engine supply contract with equity partner Mercedes for two more seasons, but Dennis is believed to be confident that - as with his new MP4-12C road car project - the outfit can manage without the Stuttgart based manufacturer.

Auto Motor und Sport said BMW would be interested in selling its F1 engine programme for the right price, and that Dennis may already have made enquiries with the marque's Munich headquarters.

It is also rumoured that McLaren's existing Bahraini investors might bolster their involvement in order to support the new independent engine programme.

Said team boss Martin Whitmarsh: "We have no plans to buy BMW's engines."

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/mclaren-chef-whitmarsh-keine-plaene-zum-kauf-von-bmw-motoren-1418251.html

Wrexter

05-10-2009, 12:04 AM

Interesting rumour.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/mclaren-chef-whitmarsh-keine-plaene-zum-kauf-von-bmw-motoren-1418251.html

Yeah i read that earlier today, its actually all a bit exciting.

It would be good to see McLaren as an independent Chassis and Engine manufacturer. Perhaps that coincides with the rumours that mercedes will be buying a steak in Brawn (partly or wholly). Perhaps Mercedes will become its own independent team.

Only thing is i hope Mclaren will be able to produce competetive engines. Either way i they have a contract for 2 more years, perhaps they will part ways thereafter.

redline07

05-10-2009, 08:34 AM

talked up and over rated..

id say his pretty lucky to be 4th

That is serious bullshit. How is Webber overrated and talked up? He is probably the only driver in the field where the local media and general population constantly give him shit and carry on about him failing. Do you think you know better than guys like Horner. 'Hey guys, you know how we though Webber was good all these years? I just found out from some guy on antilag that has fuck all knowledge of F1 and has never driven a race car that he's shit, Quick fire him!'

What also pissed me off was Basil fucking Zempilas this morning doing the sport report. 'Webber finished last, guess where his team mate was? First. Hahaha' You stupid fuck. No mention of fastest lap or his 57 pitstops!

Well there's my rant for this morning. PS I hope that in the next year or so when another aussie Ricciardo gets a Toro Rosso drive he gets better support.

Brett_J

05-10-2009, 09:02 AM

Gets Better support, your kidding right?
Webber gets bulk support locally, he wins one race and the nation declare him the next WDC, they even ran a poll on One HD.
He has skill, he wouldnt be in F1 if he didnt, they dont throw the keys to randoms.But as I have said all along, he isn't in the exceptional area of drivers,he might get a few more podiums in his career but I honestly believe he is past it as an emerging star.

Wrexter

05-10-2009, 09:08 AM

That is serious bullshit. How is Webber overrated and talked up? He is probably the only driver in the field where the local media and general population constantly give him shit and carry on about him failing. Do you think you know better than guys like Horner. 'Hey guys, you know how we though Webber was good all these years? I just found out from some guy on antilag that has fuck all knowledge of F1 and has never driven a race car that he's shit, Quick fire him!'

What also pissed me off was Basil fucking Zempilas this morning doing the sport report. 'Webber finished last, guess where his team mate was? First. Hahaha' You stupid fuck. No mention of fastest lap or his 57 pitstops!

Well there's my rant for this morning. PS I hope that in the next year or so when another aussie Ricciardo gets a Toro Rosso drive he gets better support.

He is completely over rated, get over it.

Im also tired of people week after week making excuses for him.

There is a point where you cant keep blaming all his crashes on just good ol' bad luck.

The guy is a decent driver dont get me wrong, but he just cant keep it on the track when it counts. whether qualification or race he loves to say hello to the gravel traps or the wall.

While also on the subject of being over rated, Jenson Button. No way does that guy deserve the WDC. would love the WDC to go to a more deserving driver like Rubens or Sebastien. Button is lucky the Brawn car had outmatched pace in the early parts of the season otherwise he could kiss his chances of a WDC goodbye.

05-10-2009, 09:09 AM

Of course he is way past the emerging star phase.

BUT the F1 circus regard him as a solid performer, otherwise he wouldnt have a drive.

Hell McLaren wanted to sign him over Heikki at the end of 07, but the move was stopped as Mark had a contract he didnt want to break at red bull.

I am not on the pro-mark bandwagon, because he isnt one of my favourite drivers. But I do rate him in the top half of the field.

Its just... well, you need to make your own luck sometimes.

redline07

05-10-2009, 09:16 AM

Yeah the only time he really got any support was when he won in Germany. I don't really mean from the motorsport community either, rather the media and public that think they know something about motorsport. Nobody is really saying he is an Alonso, Kimi or Hamilton, but he deserves his place as much as anyone else.

Oh and Wrexter 'All his crashes' ?
He doesn't crash anymore than anyone else.

satch

05-10-2009, 10:12 AM

hes is a steady 2nd driver, similar to DC, nothing more nothing less. He is not the future of Red Bull anyway.

Brockas

05-10-2009, 01:47 PM

While also on the subject of being over rated, Jenson Button. No way does that guy deserve the WDC. would love the WDC to go to a more deserving driver like Rubens or Sebastien.

hahahahaha

I was going to write something about your comments on Webber, but after that statement all I can do is laugh.

Sebastian is a great driver, but I fail to see how someone who hasn't finished 5? races this season is deserving of a WDC.

Rubens is F1's biggest crybaby, who for most of the season has had the same setup as Jensen and not been able to perform.

I think it's hilarious that you can claim the person with the most points doesn't deserve the WDC haha

How about we just give it to Lewis or Kimi again because you think they're a better driver? Why bother racing at all? Just declare them the winner at the start of the year...

05-10-2009, 01:59 PM

To be fair to Rubens, since Turkey he has been more then competitive against Jenson, and probably would have been beaten him at least twice more it not been for

1 - the strategy dramas of Spain
2 - the clutch issue off the line.. cant recall where.. probably Turkey actually.

Jenson has used one of the most dominant cars ever in F1 to gain a big lead early on.. and has struggled since.

But if he wins it, he wins it because he did what he had to do.

I personally hope he gets pipped at the post, and as he walks past Williams Frank and Pat laugh in his face... but thats personal bias, like we all have.

Brett_J

05-10-2009, 02:00 PM

LOL @ Button comment.
Even if you have the best car on the field, if you cant drive it then its no point, of course he deserves the WDC.He drove solidly all season,hence his points.
They didnt give him 50 handicap starting points, he earned them.

05-10-2009, 02:12 PM

Well yes and no - the car was so good, that it was being driven at probably like 70% to win by half a lap.

The second they were forced to push, it exposed their tyre issues, and suddenly they found they wernt as quick anymore.

Still, it probably is the fastest all round car there. Just a shame others took so long to get to the party.... but others have also dropped the ball hard.

Webber hasnt scored a point in 4 or 5 rounds, when he was genuinely a chance to win the title.

Vettel also dropped the ball in Monza and Singaporres penalty could well cost him the title.

Lewis, for the piece of shit he has had for most of the year, has outscored the field since Hungary, and had he not been a fucking idiot in Australia, spun a couple times less in China, headbutted the wall in Monaco and held on for his 3rd in Italy would actually be in contention for the title still.

Its been a crazy year, but seeing the potential WDC potting around fighting for 8th after being so quick just leaves a wierd feeling.

Look at the last few years

05 - kimi alonso and michael going at it all year
06 - pretty much the same
07 - incredible ending over last 3 rounds
08 - massa and the fia versus lewis, incredible last corner of last lap ending
09 - guy uses fastest car to skip the field, then kinda stumbles over the line. like i said good on him if he makes it, but there has been very little "Wdc" driving of late.

[FFOUR]

05-10-2009, 03:30 PM

There hasn't been consistent "WDC driving" by anyone this season which is why it seems a bit weird that any of them can win it. We are so used to seeing one or two standout performers who streak the field for an entire season that it takes a bit of getting used too.

My 2c.

Brett_J

05-10-2009, 03:33 PM

Yes this year has been so inconsistent, exciting on one front, but boring on the other.I find myself walking off mid race alot lately.

Banana_Beast

05-10-2009, 05:40 PM

He is completely over rated, get over it.

Im also tired of people week after week making excuses for him.

There is a point where you cant keep blaming all his crashes on just good ol' bad luck.

The guy is a decent driver dont get me wrong, but he just cant keep it on the track when it counts. whether qualification or race he loves to say hello to the gravel traps or the wall.

While also on the subject of being over rated, Jenson Button. No way does that guy deserve the WDC. would love the WDC to go to a more deserving driver like Rubens or Sebastien. Button is lucky the Brawn car had outmatched pace in the early parts of the season otherwise he could kiss his chances of a WDC goodbye.

You think Rubens Barrichello deserves the WDC?? nearly every race Jenson won rubens was bitching and moaning about the team favouring Jenson, ill be happy when he retires. At least Brawn wont have to deal with him next season.

I would also like to see Vettel win the WDC and im sure we will in years to come, but as ive said before, i think hamilton is the most overrated driver on the grid and it was good to see Vettel out pace him at suzuka and show who the better driver was.

PS. sorry if i have repeated anyones arguements, i didnt realise there was another page

05-10-2009, 05:49 PM

Why is he over rated?

Better driver at Suzuka, or better car?

redline07

05-10-2009, 06:10 PM

You think Rubens Barrichello deserves the WDC?? nearly every race Jenson won rubens was bitching and moaning about the team favouring Jenson, ill be happy when he retires. At least Brawn wont have to deal with him next season.

I would also like to see Vettel win the WDC and im sure we will in years to come, but as ive said before, i think hamilton is the most overrated driver on the grid and it was good to see Vettel out pace him at suzuka and show who the better driver was.

PS. sorry if i have repeated anyones arguements, i didnt realise there was another page

You clearly don't really know much about f1. I REALLY don't like Hamilton, but he is one of the best drivers in the field. Vettel had a better car at Suzuka. Even Schuey got outpaced from time to time, did that mean that whoever beat him on the day was a better driver? No.

Banana_Beast

05-10-2009, 06:46 PM

You clearly don't really know much about f1. I REALLY don't like Hamilton, but he is one of the best drivers in the field. Vettel had a better car at Suzuka. Even Schuey got outpaced from time to time, did that mean that whoever beat him on the day was a better driver? No.

How does what i said show that i know nothing about f1??

Every driver gets outpaced from time to time, i agree but hamilton made a very very amatuer mistake at monza, and that was pushing so hard on the final lap that he lost it and crashed causing him to get a DNF instead of a podium finish.

I admit he has got talent but i personally dont think he is as good as everyone says

05-10-2009, 07:07 PM

LOL one mistake = shittest pingpingpingping ever

Vettel binned it at Monaca = shittest pingpingpingping ever

Schumi also hit a wall at Monaco = shit

etc etc

Your yet to show one shred of genuine evidence he isnt good.

He has NEVER lost to a team mate in his racing career.. Ill call Alonso a draw to appease the fans.

He has scored 250 points from 5 F1 races = that is one of the best strike rates in history.

Banana_Beast

05-10-2009, 07:15 PM

I admit he has got talent but i personally dont think he is as good as everyone says

Like i said i dont think he is the worlds worst driver and if someone makes a mistake it doesnt instantly make them shit, I PERSONALLY just dont think he is as good as he is made out to be.

And what do you mean hamilton made 250 points in 5 races?

05-10-2009, 07:20 PM

50 sorry. Trying to get ready for basketball and type.

fourseven

06-10-2009, 01:17 AM

You think Rubens Barrichello deserves the WDC?? nearly every race Jenson won rubens was bitching and moaning about the team favouring Jenson, ill be happy when he retires. At least Brawn wont have to deal with him next season.

That's because the team does favour Jenson... at least they did until Rubens made it public with a very pissed off speech. And fuck me, what happens after he had his outburst? He starts winning, or at least improving. Doesn't take a genius to see what happened there.

He's a whinging pingpingpingping, no doubt. But at least he has the balls to tell it how it is, and Ross Brawn should know better than to write off someone because of their age.

Brockas

06-10-2009, 01:41 AM

He's a whinging pingpingpingping, no doubt.

Thats it.

There's nobody I hate more in F1 than Rubens. He needs to man up and accept that no matter where he goes he will be #2 driver.

The sooner he realizes he's never going to win a WDC and quits, the better.

fourseven

06-10-2009, 02:29 AM

Wrexter

06-10-2009, 11:03 AM

Thats it.

There's nobody I hate more in F1 than Rubens. He needs to man up and accept that no matter where he goes he will be #2 driver.

The sooner he realizes he's never going to win a WDC and quits, the better.

Are you serious?

He might be treated like a 2nd driver, but button is the second driver in this case.

im not the only one who thinks he is overrated and less deserving of the WDC:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/091005154358.shtml

iluv2moan

06-10-2009, 11:15 AM

cant believe people think that a driver whos wons more races then anyone else in a series doesnt deserve to win the title.

06-10-2009, 11:34 AM

Perhaps you need to study the season then.

Sure he has won a great deal of races... but since then its been very very average.

satch

06-10-2009, 12:05 PM

Problem is you cant argue that anyone has been more deserving really, perhaps you can say Kimi and Lewis have hustled sub standard cars but are they really deserving given the points scenario ?

Just the way it works in F1, right time, right car right place for the first 7-8 races. Probably go down as the most un-deserving world champ, but there are plenty he will join and plenty more to come.

esky

06-10-2009, 12:18 PM

why would he go down as the most undeserving, its always about being in the right car at the right time

take mansell as an example, in 1992 when he won the wdc the williams was massively better then any other car out. the car FW14B is still regarded as one of the best f1 cars ever made, does that mean becasue mansell won so easily that he was the best driver or it was the car? did he deserve it more then anyone else?

at the end of the day you have have to be in the right car and be able to beat your teammate. hell the wdc might be the 2nd worst driver in teh field , so long as the car is fastest and the worst driver is his teamamte.

jenson has done better then his team mate in the best car across the season, he deserves the wdc as much as any other driver thats won it

Wrexter

06-10-2009, 12:21 PM

If Bernie Ecclestone had been successful in converting the points system to a medal system, then Button would of won the championship back in Singapore.

Thank god that idiot didnt have his way.

We can sit here and argue all you want about the matter but certain things are clear.

Button is a good driver. end of story. He is not a great one. I would not rank him up there along with Hamilton, Massa, Alonso and Kimi. I rate vettel and Rubens much higher than Button, Button has been lacking talent since the other teams caught up. Rubens was never far behind him.

Hamilton has been the most consisten driver all season, in fact the most consisten driver in the last 3 years.

2007: Came into formula 1 as a rookie, lost out by 1 point, could of won it if it were not due to some unfortunate incidents.

2007: won the championship by 1 point, would of scored more points if it were not for some very stupid decisions by the stewards.

2008: Had pushed all season and has been most consistent: with a shit car he has been in the midfield, with an improved car (not as good as the red bull or brawns) he has been on the podium since ( Minus Spa where he was rear-ended and monza when he almost made it home 3rd but he spun when pushing too hard).

I know i am a Hamilton fan, but thats not why i think he is a champion.

He is anything buy overrated. He will win many more WDC to come and i can not wait for the 2010 season to see if he can bring it home.

Next year he will race against Kimi in Mclaren, Alonso and Massa in Ferrari, Vettel in Redbull, Rosberg and Button in BRawn. Thats the biggest competition we have seen in a season in a long time.

I guarantee one thing though, if he brings home the title, there will still be those who will be critics and still class him as over-rated.