turbo r31 not driving right...

[gotboost]

hey all just bought a turbo r31 its a rb30 with a t04 and the previous owner said it needs to be tuned

but this is my first turbo car and i have no clue what needs tuning pretty much the problem the car is having is when i drive it i have to drive very slowly in first(its a auto) till its hits 3000rpm and it will finally change and you can never flat foot it cos it just revs high and you don't go anywhere its like your in (N) just reving it

so if anyone knows what could need fixing such as gearbox or it does just need a tune please let me know its starting to annoy me

[TJ]

Sounds like a fucked gearbox.

[DISTRBD]

Manual conversion time

[RICEY]

Did u test drive before you bought it?

Probably pointless but check the trans fluid level, running temp in Park. If thats ok then youre fucked. Low fluid can affect upshifts.

[gotboost]

Sounds like a fucked gearbox.

wonderful lol just what i need

[gotboost]

Manual conversion time

yeah thats defs a possibility

[TJ]

Perhaps asking this before forking out for the car was a wiser move?

[gotboost]

Did u test drive before you bought it?

Probably pointless but check the trans fluid level, running temp in Park. If thats ok then youre fucked. Low fluid can affect upshifts.

yeah i did test drive it before and its only the first gear and he kept telling me it needs to be tuned....once in 2nd i can give it shit but cant straight away flat foot have to ease the pedal down till you get to a certain point then you can put it down and it goes well i will check the fluids soon and see how that goes but i know it will be more then just more fluid needed

cheers 4 commenting

[gotboost]

Perhaps asking this before forking out for the car was a wiser move?

yeah your right there but oh well got it now so gotta deal with it =/

[gotboost]

could it be that it needs to be tuned cos its now got a turbo like timing or something?i dont know much about this stuff so any help is good.

[Joe]

uhhhh... no.

[gotboost]

uhhhh... no.

so pretty much the previous owner was bullshittin me lol

[Joe]

Sounds like you got taken for a ride.. you should have checked the car our prior to purchase.

I'd be taking it to your nearest Nissan specialist and getting them to look over it, to let you know whats wrong with it.

For a start...if you're NOR, try All-Star Garage. If you're SOR, try X-Speed.

[Lump]

bands probably fucked or maybe can get it adjusted

lol at his excuse.

[gotboost]

Sounds like you got taken for a ride.. you should have checked the car our prior to purchase.

I'd be taking it to your nearest Nissan specialist and getting them to look over it, to let you know whats wrong with it.

For a start...if you're NOR, try All-Star Garage. If you're SOR, try X-Speed.

alright thx for the info mate i got the car for 2k anyways so i knew i would have problems so oh well

[Skitzo]

surely a manual conversion wouldn't be that much.

[gotboost]

bands probably fucked or maybe can get it adjusted

lol at his excuse.

yeah the good thing is r31 gearboxs arnt that expensive so should be able to pick one up fairly easily

[gotboost]

surely a manual conversion wouldn't be that much.

not 2 sure how much all that would cost spose i could just buy a wrecked 31 with a manual probs work out cheap

[Lump]

checkout r31skylineclub.com for your bunkee parts

[DISTRBD]

yeah the good thing is r31 gearboxs arnt that expensive so should be able to pick one up fairly easily


I am asuming its rb30 with turbo fitted ?? if so smaller rb box from 31 n 32 gts-t wont last long with heavy driving . ideal box would be 25det box .

[gotboost]

checkout r31skylineclub.com for your bunkee parts

yeah already a member lol

[gotboost]

I am asuming its rb30 with turbo fitted ?? if so smaller rb box from 31 n 32 gts-t wont last long with heavy driving . ideal box would be 25det box .

yeah its rb30 with turbo fitted would the 25det box fit straight on no real hassles? i dont know anything about what parts from other skylines fit onto the old ones...

[DISTRBD]

yeah its rb30 with turbo fitted would the 25det box fit straight on no real hassles? i dont know anything about what parts from other skylines fit onto the old ones...

No hassles if you have the cash :)

[mitchy]

No hassles if you have the cash :)

:lol: :lol:

25 box conversion will cost more than the car

[gotboost]

:lol: :lol:

25 box conversion will cost more than the car

pretty much what would be a cheaper option that could handle the turbo and getting thrashed abit

[mys1]

I think you need to ring southwest breaks for allyur 31 needs, they still have new parts off the shelf due to the remoteness of the workshop..

"Southwest Breaks- For all your 31 needs...

[DISTRBD]

Gotboost what is your budget ??





I think you need to ring southwest breaks for allyur 31 needs, they still have new parts off the shelf due to the remoteness of the workshop..

"Southwest Breaks- For all your 31 needs...

BRAKES you poll bender :slap:

[Drift_R32]

hey mate
either source an auto from quokka cheap, if you can get one you can actually test in a car first, get a shiftkit or something to help with changes, along with a large transmission cooler to help it last. or source a manual conversion, theres abit involved.. a 25box would be a waste of money as you could prob go through atleast two Rb20/Rb30 manual boxs for the price of a 25 box, and unless your putting out serious horsepower, or dont know the first thing about driving a manual i think youd be fine.

[Skitzo]

poombah on here has HD clutch and Rb30 box for sale. total cost of 800. Just need clutch pedal (and brake if you dont wanna jst cut the auto one), master cylinder. Prob tailshaft aswell.

[DISTRBD]

a 25box would be a waste of money as you could prob go through atleast two Rb20/Rb30 manual boxs for the price of a 25 box

LOL

[TJ]

Heavily on the crack pipe comment there.

[03stiwrx]

the clutch packs could just be fried, and they aren't always that exxy to buy.
take the trans out and have someone who knows autos have a look.
you remove, they inspect, then you can decide to fix it or throw it away.

it's been years, but i remember individual plates and frictions costing as little as $8 each, multiply by however many your box has (maybe 10-15)

that's if you want to keep the auto of course.

[R31 POWER]

If your going to drive it hard dont piss fart around, go straight to the 25det box like mentioned. Yes a 30e/20det box CAN last, if you are like me and like to rape it and not worry, it's 25det box time.

[gotboost]

Thanks for all the advice guys im not very mechanicly minded so i dont see myself putting a manual in so i think i might just go with what drift_r32 said and get a new auto and shiftkit it and all that and see how it goes

If i had a bigger budget to blow i would defs go with the 25det box trust me i would rather go with that straight away but i dont give it shit 24/7 so i think i will try the other way first anyways thanks guys for info this was first time posting on this site and i will be asking more questions cos u all seem to know ya stuff =)

[Klutch]

BRAKES you poll bender :slap:
I hope that was intentional haha

[mys1]

Gotboost what is your budget ??


BRAKES you poll bender :slap:

haha, I was refering to windows down, Jack car up in middle...

[mitchy]

haha, I was refering to windows down, Jack car up in middle...

:(

[Drift_R32]

Thanks for all the advice guys im not very mechanicly minded so i dont see myself putting a manual in so i think i might just go with what drift_r32 said and get a new auto and shiftkit it and all that and see how it goes

If i had a bigger budget to blow i would defs go with the 25det box trust me i would rather go with that straight away but i dont give it shit 24/7 so i think i will try the other way first anyways thanks guys for info this was first time posting on this site and i will be asking more questions cos u all seem to know ya stuff =)

hey bud
if you go with the auto, mite be worth looking on Calaisturbo.com as they run the same auto and theres prob afew with work on there, maybe cheap ?

[gotboost]

ok i told my mate that the problem is the gearbox and he reckons it wouldnt be because it shifts fine and everything its just cos the motor is not tuned and its reving pretty high especially when in park

So he reckons once i fix the reving issue out the auto should shift at the right time....sorry if this sounds stupid just thought i would ask cos im getting confused with everyone telling me different stuff.

[cactus]

Where abouts do you live?

[gotboost]

Where abouts do you live?

girrawheen whys that?

[RICEY]

So youre saying its idling at high revs?

[cactus]

If you were closer I would come for a drive... easiest way to diagnose because your explanations are a little vague :) (no offence intended!)

[Drift_R32]

ok i told my mate that the problem is the gearbox and he reckons it wouldnt be because it shifts fine and everything its just cos the motor is not tuned and its reving pretty high especially when in park

So he reckons once i fix the reving issue out the auto should shift at the right time....sorry if this sounds stupid just thought i would ask cos im getting confused with everyone telling me different stuff.

not sure if they run a computer that controls the auto, but possibly if so that could be fukt, if its reving high in neutral it also could be the idle control valve thats fukt?

[TJ]

31's are a cable auto, not electronic. no ecu

[gotboost]

If you were closer I would come for a drive... easiest way to diagnose because your explanations are a little vague :) (no offence intended!)

none taken lol

[gotboost]

yeah so the car will rev around 2000-3000revs in park and when you put it in drive the revs will drop down to normal but you have to go fairly slow till it changes to 2nd gear and when your in 2nd and higher you can pretty much go as fast as you want but you still have to ease the accelerater down cant just flat foot it or the car will just rev like its in neutral

Also on hot days after the car warms up the sound from the engine will change to a constant fan noise and that doesnt go away until you turn the car off and let it cool down im sorry i cant really explain it any better hope this helps work out what it could be.....

oh yeah i dont know if this means anything but the previous owner did put a computer or something in called nistune do you think maybe something has to be done with that?

[Drift_R32]

i can prob come have a look mate on the weekend and i can get some exhange parts from a mate with an Rb30 like control vavle so you can swap them to make sure its not that

[gotboost]

found out couple days ago my 31 is running 10psi i think thats probs abit much shouldnt they only run around 6-8psi do you think running to much boost could be my problem with the reving thing?maybe it cant handle it or something....

[TJ]

No.

[cactus]

My stock RB20 ran 20psi and visited 9000rpm on many occasions... and loved it!

[gotboost]

No.

thx for the detailed reply

[gotboost]

My stock RB20 ran 20psi and visited 9000rpm on many occasions... and loved it!

mines only rb30 though and highly doubt it would run long on 20psi

[cactus]

Oh shit... I am stupid again. Didn't read properly my bad.

[Turbo2.6L]

10 pound boost is fuckall on any engine. Boost is not your problem...
Either the auto or converter are slipping, take it to a trans shop & spend the coin or put up with the problem. You're not going to get a magical fix off a forum that doesn't cost money.

[cactus]

Purchase yourself an auto from an R32 Skyline onwards, and then purchase my old hi-stall and shift kit. Problem solved :) Will sell cheap cheap!

[cactus]

Only problem with that is it will cost money to have it wired. So disregard lol. You have two options, go manual or go a newer style auto with the stuff I suggested. Either way its going to cost you a little bit. Auto will prob be cheaper option for now - pick up a box dirt cheap ($300 I think with computer and wiring), maybe a few hundred to wire it up (I know who can do that for you) and if you want that gear I suggested above another $350 and then it should run sweet. Manual I think will be $1500ish for box, then clutch, then pedal assembly etc. so prob around $2000 - $2500 mark?

Depends what you want to do with the car in the long run (and how long you actually plan on having it for). If you want to race etc. then go auto. If you want lots of fun on the street, go manual.

[gotboost]

10 pound boost is fuckall on any engine. Boost is not your problem...
Either the auto or converter are slipping, take it to a trans shop & spend the coin or put up with the problem. You're not going to get a magical fix off a forum that doesn't cost money.

not trying to get a magical fix off here that is free just trying to work out what the problem is and be 100% sure thats the issue dont wanna go waste money on something that wont fix it.

[gotboost]

Only problem with that is it will cost money to have it wired. So disregard lol. You have two options, go manual or go a newer style auto with the stuff I suggested. Either way its going to cost you a little bit. Auto will prob be cheaper option for now - pick up a box dirt cheap ($300 I think with computer and wiring), maybe a few hundred to wire it up (I know who can do that for you) and if you want that gear I suggested above another $350 and then it should run sweet. Manual I think will be $1500ish for box, then clutch, then pedal assembly etc. so prob around $2000 - $2500 mark?

Depends what you want to do with the car in the long run (and how long you actually plan on having it for). If you want to race etc. then go auto. If you want lots of fun on the street, go manual.

i would most likely just go for a auto and get a shift kit and all of that would love a manual but dont have the cash for it atm also would only really use this at drags.(i heard autos are better for drags)

so would a standard auto with a few things shift kit and such be alright and could handle the turbo?or will i have to go a better gearbox?

[TJ]

not trying to get a magical fix off here that is free just trying to work out what the problem is and be 100% sure thats the issue dont wanna go waste money on something that wont fix it.

Then listen to what people are telling you.

You obviously have more then one problem with the car by the sounds of it.

[gotboost]

Then listen to what people are telling you.

You obviously have more then one problem with the car by the sounds of it.

ok then....

[Passage GT]

buy second hand auto out of the quokka, get a cheap tranny cooler and chuck it all in, see if it does the same thing with new box

[gotboost]

buy second hand auto out of the quokka, get a cheap tranny cooler and chuck it all in, see if it does the same thing with new box

yeah im gonna start looking out for a new box now cheers for the help everyone.

[Drift_R32]

Heavily on the crack pipe comment there.

how is that a crack pipe comment?

you want like 1000 for a 25 box ? ive seen 20 boxes go for 250..

[mitchy]

may as well spend that $1000 on 4 RB20 boxes then, cause they wont last very long.

there is a reason RB20/30 boxes are cheap, and 25 boxes aren't... it's because they are worth what they cost.

[Drift_R32]

wait i remember Nick AKA DECIEVE telling me when he was interested in my 25 box out my old maroon 31 that when his single turboed 26 400+hp glitter 31 was running a rb20det box when he brought it over, seemed to hold up fine..he said it was fine aslong as he didnt smash gears hard.

how much power are you thinking of running Gotboost?

[MrSparkle]

gotboost dont get too caught up in the bs half of these ppl are offering. Im sure i can remember something about the rb30 thats had a turbo added not liking too much boost without management (might need to get all the stuff of a vl turbo engine) so i guess that could be part of the problem. ( And as someone said earlier check the fluid level because thats what they do when ur low on fluid)

I suggest you get on that r31skyline forum and check out the tech section. Just read thread after thread until you find something that sounds like what u have. Use the search function and look for RB30 auto problems and even boost problems if you think thats part of the problem.

**Dont go to those workshops that were suggested in an earlier post** Most of those places wont be interested in fixing you car because its an older model and if they do they are going to charge you a fortune.

There is so much info on rb30's and the autos that go with them after a few hours you should have a pretty good idea on where to start looking. That site is a great place to look for spare parts and most of the parts are cheap. ( im sure ive seen manual conversion kits for 500 dollars before and another auto if you cant fix yours should be cheap as well) The r31 is an awesome car ive had two, One was very high powered and the other was a bit of a drifter i built up with an rb20 on a budget. Both had parts i bought cheap on that website so its definatly a good place to look for spare parts.

I know the rb25 gearbox is the big momma and they are very strong but if i was in your situation i wouldnt want to spend 2k doing a gearbox swap on a car that cost 2k so id start with the rb20/rb30 5 speed as they are alright. Get an organic clutch with a hd pressure plate so it gives the box a chance(and dont believe the bullshit that organic clutchs are weak i had a 350hp rb26 r33 and it had an organic clutch that just would not die 3rd gear burnouts wernt a problem ). You will still be able to do all the burnouts you like but when you quick shift or give the box a hard time it softens the gearchange on the box. So it will live longer.

Im sure with minimal expense you can get your car running properly ( after all if its an engine thats had it they cost about 100 dollars) you might find your car has a few simple problems that can be easily fixed or if its something bigger at least u will have a good spot to start looking for parts and info. Good luck

[DISTRBD]

buy second hand auto out of the quokka, get a cheap tranny cooler and chuck it all in, see if it does the same thing with new box

2nd hand shit could be just as bad , end up chasing your tail thinking its something else ..

[Drift_R32]

gotboost dont get too caught up in the bs half of these ppl are offering. Im sure i can remember something about the rb30 thats had a turbo added not liking too much boost without management (might need to get all the stuff of a vl turbo engine) so i guess that could be part of the problem. ( And as someone said earlier check the fluid level because thats what they do when ur low on fluid)

I suggest you get on that r31skyline forum and check out the tech section. Just read thread after thread until you find something that sounds like what u have. Use the search function and look for RB30 auto problems and even boost problems if you think thats part of the problem.

**Dont go to those workshops that were suggested in an earlier post** Most of those places wont be interested in fixing you car because its an older model and if they do they are going to charge you a fortune.

There is so much info on rb30's and the autos that go with them after a few hours you should have a pretty good idea on where to start looking. That site is a great place to look for spare parts and most of the parts are cheap. ( im sure ive seen manual conversion kits for 500 dollars before and another auto if you cant fix yours should be cheap as well) The r31 is an awesome car ive had two, One was very high powered and the other was a bit of a drifter i built up with an rb20 on a budget. Both had parts i bought cheap on that website so its definatly a good place to look for spare parts.

I know the rb25 gearbox is the big momma and they are very strong but if i was in your situation i wouldnt want to spend 2k doing a gearbox swap on a car that cost 2k so id start with the rb20/rb30 5 speed as they are alright. Get an organic clutch with a hd pressure plate so it gives the box a chance(and dont believe the bullshit that organic clutchs are weak i had a 350hp rb26 r33 and it had an organic clutch that just would not die 3rd gear burnouts wernt a problem ). You will still be able to do all the burnouts you like but when you quick shift or give the box a hard time it softens the gearchange on the box. So it will live longer.

Im sure with minimal expense you can get your car running properly ( after all if its an engine thats had it they cost about 100 dollars) you might find your car has a few simple problems that can be easily fixed or if its something bigger at least u will have a good spot to start looking for parts and info. Good luck

exactly why i mentioned the rb20 boxs, everyone writes them off..but they are cheap and last if the driver has some clue. and even then..you get hold of a 20 box for 250? blow it buy another for 250 your still only at 500, thats 500 in your pocket still.

[mitchy]

you're a moron...

if it destroys a 20 box, why would the second one last any longer? the torque of a turbo 30 will munch them.

given that its his first turbo car, and he mentions he cant floor it cause it free revs... it's going to cop a hiding and blow boxes left, right and centre.

[MrSparkle]

I disagree. Ive seen rb20 boxs behind powerful engines and they lasted a long time. I think its puck type clutches that kill gearboxs like that because there is no cushioning effect and the shock is transfered through to the gears. Ive never liked puck clutches even with a sprung centre. I know people like them because of their springyness and the way they can be kicked which suits drifting and that but they are gearbox killers.

[DR1FT3N]

my 31"s turbo and running standard 5speed with heavier clutch and iv had no worries, i treet it like a pig and it seems fine, think youd only start running in to problems if you where chasing big hp. Agreed 25 boxes are worth it though, after 3 sr boxes in my silvia i am finally hardening up and going 25 box, just need to work out what your after from the start if chasing big hp invest now and go 25 box, if not 30 or 20 box will be fine, just my 2 cents worth

edit: this is if you go down the manual path otherwise shift kit and fix your auto 50/50 gamble when buying 20 year old second hand gboxes

[Drift_R32]

you're a moron...

if it destroys a 20 box, why would the second one last any longer? the torque of a turbo 30 will munch them.

given that its his first turbo car, and he mentions he cant floor it cause it free revs... it's going to cop a hiding and blow boxes left, right and centre.

i dunno who your comparing the driving to..ive had a 20 box behind a decent powered Rb30et before and that was an actual turbo motor not an na limited to a certain psi, and that thing copped a fuking hiding with a near button clutch in it...when i got it was notchy as fuk, and when i sold it, the thing had not changed..

the last 2 rb20 boxs ived had have been shifted on limiter througout the gears many many times and not ever had one blow or even get worse from when i brought it. my last GTS-4 had synchros gone in 3rd, and that was luanched on limiter with a solid clutch countless times, never had one single problem..unless you actually personally experienced countless broken broken 20 boxs then shut ur face.

if you got the cash throw around, sure go a 25 box, or if you havnt got cash falling out your 'ole, then go with a 20 box..

[DTM-031]

can pretty much guarantee your auto will be fucked, especially if it's still stock.

don't be cheap, get a manual. i got a FULL manual conversion for my 31 inc HD clutch and rebuilt gearbox for $200, find me where you can buy an auto, build it, and install it for that

[gotboost]

can pretty much guarantee your auto will be fucked, especially if it's still stock.

don't be cheap, get a manual. i got a FULL manual conversion for my 31 inc HD clutch and rebuilt gearbox for $200, find me where you can buy an auto, build it, and install it for that

if i find a manual with all that for $200 i would grab it straight away but i think u got lucky on that one so unless i find a manual for 200 im probs just gonna get a new auto and adds some extras 2 it so hopefully it wont fck up im gonna be dropping the boost down to 6-8psi woteva i deside at the time and i dont thrash it often just a boost here and there to beat the odd v6 commo so hopefully the next gb will be fine but hopefully i will keep this car and work on it for ages and build it up so will probs go for a 25box or something eventually.

[lambchops]

Wow. That's the longest sentance I've ever read.