View Full Version : W.T.F GO HOME $$$$ from AUSSIES
JNR man
11-11-2010, 03:53 PM
It might be old news for some but i've just read in yesterdays paper that the Gillard Gov is now paying $4000.00 for assylum seekers to go home. This PISSES ME OFF. Wondering how everyone feels about this.............
AGIT8D
11-11-2010, 03:54 PM
Is that an approved bill?
mitchy
11-11-2010, 03:57 PM
oh, my, god. this is terrible. could somebody please... find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mother fucker so I can make sense of all this.
yeahlow34
11-11-2010, 03:58 PM
oh, my, god. this is terrible. could somebody please... find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mother fucker so I can make sense of all this.
Lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Mad_Aussie
11-11-2010, 03:58 PM
How many k's does it have on it?
duste
11-11-2010, 03:58 PM
Let's go K-Town on their asses and knife the pingpingpingpings.
JNR man
11-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Not sure only read the first paragraph and saw red, Reading on it says the Gov has budgeted to spend 5 million tax payers dollars on "reintegration assistance " this financial year.
Jiblet
11-11-2010, 04:01 PM
i would take $4,000 to go home.
Ryan1080
11-11-2010, 04:02 PM
It might be old news for some but i've just read in yesterdays paper that the Gillard Gov is now paying $4000.00 for assylum seekers to go home. This PISSES ME OFF. Wondering how everyone feels about this.............
Better to have a once off $4K payment for them to fuck off, than $100K per head per year to stay imo.
DenZel
11-11-2010, 04:05 PM
Better to have a once off $4K payment for them to fuck off, than $100K per head per year to stay imo.
or they use the 4k for another boat trip back to aus.
JNR man
11-11-2010, 04:07 PM
Better to have a once off $4K payment for them to fuck off, than $100K per head per year to stay imo.
Id like to think that any of them would stay there but i reakon we are just given them more easy money to send home to their relies to get them over here. I cant do this at moment getting tooo worked up :slap:
kurbn
11-11-2010, 04:08 PM
Boost for Australian Tourism
- Come to Australia Illegally
- Free Accommodation, Food and Entertainment
- $4000 spending money
- Free return flight home
All expenses paid by Australian Tax Payers
Who the hell are these people who make these decisions.. Knuckle Heads
You can sort them all out with 4K worth of bullets
Mad_Aussie
11-11-2010, 04:08 PM
Id like to think that any of them would stay there but i reakon we are just given them more easy money to send home to their relies to get them over here. I cant do this at moment getting tooo worked up :slap:
LOL getting too worked up to type over an unsigned government proposal?
As said above, the idea of giving 4k cash is better than keeping them locked up for years, costing us 1000x more.
Also, don't forget that some of these people are genuinely seeking asylum, which is perfectly legal under international law. pingpingpingpings get on the 'illegal immigrant' bandwagon real quick, when in reality these people have a legitimate reason for coming here (albeit via an illegal channel, but how are they to know that?) and the government needs to pull its finger out and process their applications faster.
Faster they get let out, faster they can start building infrastructure. Set em up with a few square k's in the bush, give em a bobcat and a cement mixer and tell them to build their own accommodation if they want to be here so badly.
[Jacek]
11-11-2010, 04:10 PM
I dont think the aim is to give them cash...
I think what shes saying is she'll spend $4k to get them home??
Mistikal
11-11-2010, 04:11 PM
How many k's does it have on it?
Also keen to know if it has bent chassis rails...
Kilma
11-11-2010, 04:14 PM
Also keen to know if it has bent chassis rails...
Possibly picked up by forklift.
family guy
11-11-2010, 04:17 PM
Sag mill down JNR
DRKWRX
11-11-2010, 04:24 PM
any real asylum seeker gets to stay here if not they get sent back, the ones i know of that are here work and arnt bludgers, some comments in here are retarded, some of these people have had there families shot etc...
MISS 13B
11-11-2010, 04:30 PM
oh, my, god. this is terrible. could somebody please... find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mother fucker so I can make sense of all this.
Kek. Shit never gets old!
Dagon
11-11-2010, 04:46 PM
This PISSES ME OFF.WEELLLL DATS JUST GAY AS HELL! TUK MUR JURRRRBB!
Gladio
11-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Boost for Australian Tourism
- Come to Australia Illegally
- Free Accommodation, Food and Entertainment
- $4000 spending money
- Free return flight home
All expenses paid by Australian Tax Payers
Who the hell are these people who make these decisions.. Knuckle Heads
You can sort them all out with 4K worth of bullets
LMFAO!
Ryan1080
11-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Dudes, READ what they are saying!
They are NOT getting 4K cash! They are getting 4K in stuff once they return, and it will be given not in cash, but in tools, clothes, temporary rent or whatever else they need to settle back in their home country. Given these people are in detention for many years, the 4K is supposed to help them with starting their life again in their home country, as usually they have nothing to return to.
does anyone else notice the painful irony of australian's complaining about people immigrating here?
Ryan1080
11-11-2010, 04:52 PM
does anyone else notice the painful irony of australian's complaining about people immigrating here?
Legally immigrating? No problem. Illegally? Fuck off!
DanWA
11-11-2010, 04:52 PM
they arent immigrating here though fsbk, when people migrate here they apply for a visa first, not just rock up here and expect to stay like these people do
don't you watch border security?
DRKWRX
11-11-2010, 04:53 PM
lol well like said if they are true asylum seekers its not really illegal.. the others get sent home, my old man got money given to immigrate here back in the 60s to work haha.
Ryan1080
11-11-2010, 04:57 PM
I still reckon the best solution to all this shit is:
1. send ALL boat arrivals back to a UN refugee camp overseas, where they can be placed at the back of the queue
2. bring back an equal amount of genuine proven refugees from the very front of the queue
Common sense seems to be lacking in govt unfortunately :(
DanWA
11-11-2010, 04:57 PM
Yeah that was back when we needed people
Nowdays its a free-for-all rocking up with hands out
Then you get companies bringing in everyone on 457 visas
Mad_Aussie
11-11-2010, 04:57 PM
they arent immigrating here though fsbk, when people migrate here they apply for a visa first, not just rock up here and expect to stay like these people do
Hate to break it to you, but in places like Afghanistan, they don't exactly get Channel 7... Half the time these people think that they are doing the legitimate thing.
And as I said before, it is perfectly legal for them to get here however the hell they can and apply for asylum, even if it means coming here on a rickety little boat... Shits me when people instantly deem them as criminals when they are well within their rights to come here. If you're escaping a war zone there aren't exactly that many places to register for a passport, and if someone says they have a boat to take you on, you aren't going to be asking for their office details to run checks on them.
Dagon
11-11-2010, 04:59 PM
From an immigrant co-worker:
"I won't deny that [this country] probably isn't that lucky from the point of view of the abos. David Blackburn, the master of HMS Supply, in his record of their arrival at Botany Bay in 1788 noted 'The natives as we saild in Came Down to the Edge of the Clifts Making a Noise & Lifting up their Spears'.
I can't help but imagine that they were yelling "Fuck off! We're full!""
DanWA
11-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Hate to break it to you, but in places like Afghanistan, they don't exactly get Channel 7... Half the time these people think that they are doing the legitimate thing.
And as I said before, it is perfectly legal for them to get here however the hell they can and apply for asylum, even if it means coming here on a rickety little boat... Shits me when people instantly deem them as criminals when they are well within their rights to come here. If you're escaping a war zone there aren't exactly that many places to register for a passport, and if someone says they have a boat to take you on, you aren't going to be asking for their office details to run checks on them.
Yeah and they get looked after better then our elderly/homeless/poor
That is the pathetic part
My neighbour is from Timor, told me all about what he got (instant housing, centrelink bank card etc) he chooses to work his ass off though where his older brother (in perth) is still sapping... he hopes his brother gets sent home haha
duste
11-11-2010, 05:04 PM
Nowdays its a free-for-all rocking up with hands out
Except their hands are out for jobs and for a new life, whereas our natives' hands are out for free cash because they feel they shouldn't need to get a job.
I don't know about you, but I know who I'd prefer to be helping.
Doctor Chimargo the Dog
11-11-2010, 05:04 PM
oh, my, god. this is terrible. could somebody please... find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mother fucker so I can make sense of all this.
Wheeeeeeeere is JAAAAA?!
DanWA
11-11-2010, 05:06 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad-application/rejected-refugees-to-get-4000/story-fn6bfmgc-1225950602603
Ryan1080
11-11-2010, 05:09 PM
Hate to break it to you, but in places like Afghanistan, they don't exactly get Channel 7... Half the time these people think that they are doing the legitimate thing.
And as I said before, it is perfectly legal for them to get here however the hell they can and apply for asylum, even if it means coming here on a rickety little boat... Shits me when people instantly deem them as criminals when they are well within their rights to come here. If you're escaping a war zone there aren't exactly that many places to register for a passport, and if someone says they have a boat to take you on, you aren't going to be asking for their office details to run checks on them.
No problem if they are fleeing a war torn country direct.
However most of the boat arrivals come from Indonesia. There is no war in Indonesia. Why don't they just apply for asylum in Indonesia then, or in any other country they are going through before getting to Australia? Because they won't get to ride the gravy train they would otherwise get if they come to Australia.
They are mostly economic refugees. Fuck off! Go through proper channels if you come to live a richer life. Once you cross borders from your war torn country to the neighbouring country, your life is no longer in danger. What a load of shit.
Mad_Aussie
11-11-2010, 05:23 PM
No problem if they are fleeing a war torn country direct.
However most of the boat arrivals come from Indonesia. There is no war in Indonesia. Why don't they just apply for asylum in Indonesia then, or in any other country they are going through before getting to Australia? Because they won't get to ride the gravy train they would otherwise get if they come to Australia.
They are mostly economic refugees. Fuck off! Go through proper channels if you come to live a richer life. Once you cross borders from your war torn country to the neighbouring country, your life is no longer in danger. What a load of shit.
This is definitely true, however one account from a coworker at the hospital I was at was pretty tragic, he tried to come across with his family, but they pretty much stuffed them into a sea container and didn't know wtf was going on until they were at an Indo shipping yard being put onto a boat at gunpoint, his folks died on the trip in the container and he had to sit with them for days until the crate was opened.
The problem is the generalization of these people. What needs to be done is for the government to employ another thousand Aussies and set up better processing centers. Deal with them faster. The way the world is deteriorating, there is only going to be more of these people, not less, and there is no way it's going to ever stop.
Anaru
11-11-2010, 05:29 PM
No problem if they are fleeing a war torn country direct.
However most of the boat arrivals come from Indonesia. There is no war in Indonesia. Why don't they just apply for asylum in Indonesia then, or in any other country they are going through before getting to Australia? Because they won't get to ride the gravy train they would otherwise get if they come to Australia.
They are mostly economic refugees. Fuck off! Go through proper channels if you come to live a richer life. Once you cross borders from your war torn country to the neighbouring country, your life is no longer in danger. What a load of shit.
They all come from indonesia, thats the staging point for the final leg to australia for asylum seekers.
They don't seek asylum from other third world countries because other countries don't have the infrastructure to support them and/or don't uphold human rights.
It's astounding how many Australians have this unfounded sense of entitlement. I do not agree with the influx of asylum seekers but the irony is overwhelming.
Yakky Bear
11-11-2010, 05:36 PM
Who cares the government is already fucked.
shifted
11-11-2010, 06:06 PM
Labour loves piling on the debt!
DanWA
11-11-2010, 06:07 PM
In Melbourne they send all the kiwis home on free flights, its not just indonesia
schnoods
11-11-2010, 06:24 PM
Labour loves piling on the debt!
Labor*
Im a bit more pissed off about the governments $500 million cheque to indonesia for 200 schools there....
ecent
11-11-2010, 06:31 PM
So what? They are going to be working on individual cases based on where they have originally came from? How many people will that be!?
How do they plan on spending the money on tools etc, how will they know what they need?
Do we have the resources to be able to deal with thousands of individual cases over a short period of time?
It may sound amazing compared to 100k a year to keep each person on board but how do they plan on executing it.
ovaxitd
11-11-2010, 06:48 PM
im all for the 4k to help them and their family with tools/equip/accom for them to go back home. 4k vs 100+k a year to keep them locked up in a camp.
but on the other hand if they are genuine assylum seekers then fair enough, the world fucked and if they had no other choice for them and their family then go for it as genuine people who want to bring their skills over here and contribute to australia then welcome.
Endless
11-11-2010, 08:20 PM
4k... fuck.. 50 cal rounds are sooooo much cheaper
lil_evo_boi_ajs
11-11-2010, 09:06 PM
oh, my, god. this is terrible. could somebody please... find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mother fucker so I can make sense of all this.
Who gives a fuck what ja rule thinks at a time like this, i don't want to dance i'm scared to death
dattoman
11-11-2010, 09:30 PM
I'd throw in a few bucks to send a few boats back.......... or to the bottom of the sea... either works for me
RetroTEC
11-11-2010, 09:49 PM
Hmm.....
I don't know what to think about this.
I'm damned sure though that I want more taxi drivers the speak a pingping word of pingping english! "Turn here mate,...........oi we're three blocks away you dopey PING"
Shits me to no end!
That asside, sending them home is a good idea in the sense of not having the government supporting too many ppl at one time. (Trust me I'm on centrelink benefits and it's easy to see that the system can't cope with our own natives and out of work citizens as it is.
Sending them home in a sense makes it there problem again however. Giving them the tools they need to "fix" there lives is one things, giving them the ability to sucessfully use them is another thing. And lets be honest, Gillard isn't going to set foot in an under-developped country.... know this my friends, so how can the government accurately plan for such events.
I believe that Indigenous people of australia need far more attention than asylum seekers do. We've been trying to asimilate them into our culture since the earky 80s but still we carry such negative views about them, and anybody will agree with you when you say that far to many of them are not being industry trained, nor are being made fully aware of the ways and laws of society. For christs sake I saw an aboriginal woman dropping nuggets out the front of Woolies in Rundle Mall. The cops were there and did nothing.
If that woman were white it would have been a different story I bet you!
Asylum seekers therefore, must be considerred in a different light and understood better before we "try" to help them.
I dunno.... it all just pisses me off so much. The government makes such brash decisions.
How many white educated "white guys" do you see jumping at the chance to drive a taxi, or serve you at hj's?
RetroTEC
11-11-2010, 09:55 PM
Good point TJ... I'll shut up now :S
I just would appreciate just one thing from the government. The BARE MINIMUM for living in australia is that you agree to learn to speak english. That's all I ask. Because lets be honest, what good is a taxi driver that has no idea where to take you?
I love the french taxi drivers though, shouting "MERDE!!!" at bad drivers!
Fukushima
11-11-2010, 10:06 PM
4k... fuck.. 50 cal rounds are sooooo much cheaper
^^^ this guy
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9867/banjohitler5714695.gif
yeah nah
mischief1
11-11-2010, 11:54 PM
4k might get me 2 months rent in Singapore, keen...
wormbo2
12-11-2010, 12:59 AM
How many k's does it have on it?
Totally reasonable question, IMO...
Just sayin...
EDIT:!!
OMFG... niggah just changed my mind...
Faster they get let out, faster they can start building infrastructure. Set em up with a few square k's in the bush, give em a bobcat and a cement mixer and tell them to build their own accommodation if they want to be here so badly.
Charger
12-11-2010, 05:42 AM
This sucks, sick of all this bleeding heart bullshit. Doubt this would happen in any other country, Australia needs to grow some cojones. Ever since Labor has come in I've found myself shaking my head more frequently when reading the papers. Would love for somebody to assassinate that mole Gillard.....
Jumanji
12-11-2010, 07:06 AM
Solution: Line up a group of S.A.M sites down the west coast and as soon as they come within "x" miles from here ( in international waters of course ) blow them sky high.
Dagon
12-11-2010, 07:44 AM
I just would appreciate just one thing from the government. The BARE MINIMUM for living in australia is that you agree to learn to speak english. That's all I ask. Because lets be honest, what good is a taxi driver that has no idea where to take you?Half the people on this forum can barely speak the language, let alone the masses of flannelet-wearing mullet-growers sporting a tribal tattoo, driving VK's and Maloo's and don't know how to speak unless they're holding The Tinnie Of Truth, and even then they only use the blessed power of language to scream at their wife, who screams at their kids.
Also, roughly half of all taxis I've taken have been driven by a foreign dude, but I've never had a language problem. Maybe I need to take more taxis.
SircatmaN
12-11-2010, 08:18 AM
Lol look what you've done labour voters...
So we are effectively going to pay them abd turn them back to thier country. How does this differ to turning the boats around which would be free? Let's be honest, they don't want to live in thief counters due to war abd the fear of being shot. What's a hammer and screwdriver going to do against and ak47 round being shot through your house?
I agree that SOME of these people are legitimate but they are still doing it illegally. The law is the law im sorry if you want tocome here fucking apply. Why arent the bleeding hearts having a cry for the people who are in these countries applying legally and never getting here because of the que jumpers?
My only otherr problem is that we agree to this international law for accepting asylum seekers. Why aren't these people ten split over the nations that have signed this agreement? Why does Australia have to take them all? There are huge problems with taking to big of a cultural influx this fast, just look at england or "new Pakistan" as it's called now.
Ryan1080
12-11-2010, 09:05 AM
Solution: Line up a group of S.A.M sites down the west coast and as soon as they come within "x" miles from here ( in international waters of course ) blow them sky high.
S.A.M. = Surface to Air Missile
Won't work unless their boats fly :D
Dagon
12-11-2010, 09:31 AM
My only otherr problem...other than being able to operate a keyboard =P
is that we agree to this international law for accepting asylum seekers. Why aren't these people ten split over the nations that have signed this agreement?They are.
Why does Australia have to take them all?We don't.
There are huge problems with taking to big of a cultural influx this fast, just look at england or "new Pakistan" as it's called now.Why is 'cultural influx' a bad thing, again? I sure as hell salivate at the thought a good vindaloo.
SircatmaN
12-11-2010, 09:59 AM
I'm not using a keyboard, I'm using a iPhone. A slow cultural influx is fine, infact it adds diversity to the county. A fast influx usually ends up with them creating there own areas divided from the rest of the county and due to the amount of people from there own country swamping in less reason to learn English and adopt our rules and blend with our culture.
To put it frankly, I also love vindaloo, but I don't want to live in India.
Slip_
12-11-2010, 10:04 AM
I cant get my head around the whole, 'we live here so its ours' mentality.
You sure about that? what if someone was to say... take it from you? Sure you'd fight, but if you lost?
SircatmaN
12-11-2010, 10:16 AM
I cant get my head around the whole, 'we live here so its ours' mentality.
You sure about that? what if someone was to say... take it from you? Sure you'd fight, but if you lost?
I think your referring to world war 2. And we won, because we fought for what we believed in, we didn't jump on shonky boats to a country that wasn't at war.
Charger
12-11-2010, 10:19 AM
^ +1
Slip_
12-11-2010, 10:43 AM
The problem is the generalization of these people. What needs to be done is for the government to employ another thousand Aussies and set up better processing centers. Deal with them faster. The way the world is deteriorating, there is only going to be more of these people, not less, and there is no way it's going to ever stop.
This.
Dagon
12-11-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm not using a keyboard, I'm using a iPhone.I'm not using a keyboard, either. I'm using a PC. Herp derp.
A fast influx usually ends up with them creating there own areas divided from the rest of the county and due to the amount of people from there own country swamping in less reason to learn English and adopt our rules and blend with our culture.So, not at all like the fact that we already have 'aboriginal' areas, 'rich areas' (which, by the way, white people are just a faction of, not necessarily a majority) or 'bogan areas' then? But the fact that there might be 'Paki areas' offends you? Or do you just find them so repulsive that you don't want them developing 'Paki areas'?
I also love vindaloo, but I don't want to live in India."I'm not going to let the fuckin' gooks do to us, what we did to the abbos." -- Russell Crowe in "Romper Stomper"
And we won, because we fought for what we believed in, we didn't jump on shonky boatsNo, but if we only had shonky boats to jump on rather than subs, carriers, battleships and landers, then we'd have a harder time of it.
Slip_
12-11-2010, 10:46 AM
I think your referring to world war 2. And we won, because we fought for what we believed in, we didn't jump on shonky boats to a country that wasn't at war.
Wasnt referring to any war.
Put yourself in someone else's shoes, this land isnt yours, you occupy it.
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 10:58 AM
I think your referring to world war 2. And we won, because we fought for what we believed in, we didn't jump on shonky boats to a country that wasn't at war.
LOL, WE didn't win WW2, the only reason that conflict ended is because the Yanks managed to steal enough information from the Nazis in time to finish their bomb before the Germans.
If the yanks hadn't committed horrific genocide against the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the outcome would have been far different. The Japanese almost had control of the Pacific, and with the Russians occupying most of Europe, the last 70 years could have turned out far differently had the A-bomb not been dropped.
Slip_
12-11-2010, 11:08 AM
LOL, WE didn't win WW2, the only reason that conflict ended is because the Yanks managed to steal enough information from the Nazis in time to finish their bomb before the Germans.
If the yanks hadn't committed horrific genocide against the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the outcome would have been far different. The Japanese almost had control of the Pacific, and with the Russians occupying most of Europe, the last 70 years could have turned out far differently had the A-bomb not been dropped.
Exactly fucking right. Have to study history and WWII to realise just exactly how close we were to being occupied by the japanese... and it wasnt due to our involvement... the Japanese stretched their supply routes too thin throughout the pacific, if they hadn't... we'd be typing Kanji.
ecent
12-11-2010, 11:12 AM
4k might get me 2 months rent in Singapore, keen...
LOL , TOO true.
^ Mind you , at least if we were occupied by japs we would have cheap imports...... lawlll....
maybe hks or top secret garages in osbourne park?
shifted
12-11-2010, 11:24 AM
LOL, WE didn't win WW2, the only reason that conflict ended is because the Yanks managed to steal enough information from the Nazis in time to finish their bomb before the Germans.
If the yanks hadn't committed horrific genocide against the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the outcome would have been far different. The Japanese almost had control of the Pacific, and with the Russians occupying most of Europe, the last 70 years could have turned out far differently had the A-bomb not been dropped.
Seeing how America basically funded that war by instigating the Japanese attack, and providing in partnership the fuel that the German bombers used and gas used to kill the people in the camps - or part there of - does it really matter? Everyone has a hand in something whether they like it or not, just some are not shown to the public eye like others.
SircatmaN
12-11-2010, 11:35 AM
I think alot of you are missing the point anyway, we have enough things to fix in our own country like our hospitals, housing, homeless to sort before takin on half of another country and there problems. I never said don't let them in, I never said hurt them in any way. What isaid was that there are refugees in the exact same situation doing it legally, yet they are being shunned by our government for the que jumpers. Let them in. Instead of spending all this money on the illegals help OUR homeless. Help the poor kids at princess margret hospital by funding new equipment to help THEM. We are able to help alot of people in wartorn countries and we should help how we can but not by taking every single person that wants out. You say we don't own this land but what we DID do is make it what it is today. We made it a great country to live in, we made it appealing. These people aren't fleeig there countries to goto china, they are coming here because they know it is a great place to live! It's a great place due to our constitution, laws, etc. We made this country what it is today abd unfortunately it seems alot of other countries didn't. I'm sorry but it's not possible to help everyone at one time.
fourseven
12-11-2010, 11:45 AM
This thread went off topic quickly!
Anyone who pays taxes and contributes to society... come on down. Anyone who doesn't, fuck off. Whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, pink or purple is about as relevant as if you flew or grew here.
PS - thanks Labor voters... pingpingpingpings.
Slip_
12-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Seeing how America basically funded that war by instigating the Japanese attack, and providing in partnership the fuel that the German bombers used and gas used to kill the people in the camps - or part there of - does it really matter? Everyone has a hand in something whether they like it or not, just some are not shown to the public eye like others.
Wait... what?
duste
12-11-2010, 11:48 AM
Anyone who pays taxes and contributes to society... come on down. Anyone who doesn't, fuck off. Whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, pink or purple is about as relevant as if you flew or grew here.
You, I like you.
Ryan1080
12-11-2010, 11:52 AM
Wait... what?
America, Hitler... same, same
lol!
Someone is confused hehe
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 11:58 AM
I think alot of you are missing the point anyway, we have enough things to fix in our own country like our hospitals, housing, homeless to sort before takin on half of another country and there problems. I never said don't let them in, I never said hurt them in any way. What isaid was that there are refugees in the exact same situation doing it legally, yet they are being shunned by our government for the que jumpers. Let them in. Instead of spending all this money on the illegals help OUR homeless. Help the poor kids at princess margret hospital by funding new equipment to help THEM. We are able to help alot of people in wartorn countries and we should help how we can but not by taking every single person that wants out. You say we don't own this land but what we DID do is make it what it is today. We made it a great country to live in, we made it appealing. These people aren't fleeig there countries to goto china, they are coming here because they know it is a great place to live! It's a great place due to our constitution, laws, etc. We made this country what it is today abd unfortunately it seems alot of other countries didn't. I'm sorry but it's not possible to help everyone at one time.
I think you're totally missing the point man.
Sure, there are lots of things here in Australia that could be improved, but we still have what's pretty much the best quality of life out of anywhere in the world here. It isn't really that bad.
And it's not like we're taking on half a country, we get what, 5,000-10,000 asylum seekers annually? If that? That's less than 3% (or something) of asylum seekers globally. Places like the US receive over 15%, which is huge in comparison. It's a fucking hard thing to do to escape to Australia, and the few that do make it here are a very very small number.
Compared to the money we currently spend on illegal immigrants/ asylum seekers, it's a fart in the breeze compared to what currently goes into health care, building, etc etc. Sure, its up in the tens of millions of dollars, but overall it isn't that much. More money is spent on keeping people on light pot charges or unpaid court fines behind bars than is spent on keeping asylum seekers locked up.
Everyone here that's against the issue have exactly the Today Tonight attitude towards these people that the previous government was spinning. Complaining that its a giant problem and it's affecting the very heart of the nation.
Guess what? It isn't. It really is fuck all.
And many of these people only know about Australia as a safe place to come to by word of mouth. They aren't picking and choosing, they are given the option of giving someone their life savings to take their family to safety, or be killed at home. Some other countries they *could* escape to are generally worse than where they came from. Libya for instance executed over 300 immigrants in one go last year, fucking atrocious stuff. And the chinese, who lock people away for talking to the press about their baby being poisoned by milk, certainly wouldn't treat any asylum seekers well.
Everyone needs to get off the holier than thou bandwagon, and just accept the fact that people are going to keep arriving as the rest of the world goes more and more to shit.
We're fucking lucky to be here, and have no right at all to say that someone else isn't allowed to be just because they don't have a visa. And as I said before, half of these people don't realise that they aren't going through the correct channel until they're put into a sea container at gunpoint.
/rant
Jumanji
12-11-2010, 01:09 PM
S.A.M. = Surface to Air Missile
Won't work unless their boats fly :D
HAHAHAHA! My bad lol S.T.B.P.M
( Surface to boat people missle )
Fixed.
shifted
12-11-2010, 01:45 PM
Wait... what?
Read:
(48) World War II-
of; (pg 203/220).
http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/Zeitgeist,%20The%20Movie-%20Companion%20Guide%20PDF.pdf
Another interesting perspective:
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100126112629AApNrEU
Now - just read it with an open mind. As far as history goes - its been proven to be doctored to suit an agenda time and time again... so who knows what really happened - nethertheless - an interesting view on what happened. :)
Anyway - that is just a quick skim and search.
Slip_
12-11-2010, 01:50 PM
Seen Zeitgeist, studied history. Certainly interesting, wouldn't take either for gospel.
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 01:51 PM
Seen Zeitgeist, studied history. Certainly interesting, wouldn't take either for gospel.
Man, Zeitgeist was on the internet, is must be true
Dagon
12-11-2010, 01:56 PM
HAHAHAHA! My bad lol S.T.B.P.MI'd prefer a Surface To Bogan People Missle, myself.
DanWA
12-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Dagon, fuck off to where ever your from already if you're going to start labelling everyone a bogan
Slip_
12-11-2010, 02:06 PM
LOL
mitchy
12-11-2010, 02:13 PM
struck a nerve did it xibitor?
the immigrants probably work harder...
Slip_
12-11-2010, 02:13 PM
LOL
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 02:14 PM
struck a nerve did it xibitor?
LOL that's what I was thinking, extreme reaction for a pretty (lame!) comment
Dagon
12-11-2010, 02:18 PM
What can I say... The abbreviation fit too well to pass up.
DanWA
12-11-2010, 02:20 PM
nah just the age old thing of anyone who says anything about immigration gets labelled bogan, hes been running that course since the start
Dagon
12-11-2010, 02:25 PM
How many commodores/falcons with "Fuck off we're full" on them have you seen? Now, how many Audis? Mazdas? Toyotas? Nissans?
The thing about stereotypes is that they're sometimes right.
DanWA
12-11-2010, 02:28 PM
so by stereotype that means since you have an import, you're a ricer?
dagon man...that's just ignant dawg
Ryan1080
12-11-2010, 02:41 PM
How many commodores/falcons with "Fuck off we're full" on them have you seen? Now, how many Audis? Mazdas? Toyotas? Nissans?
The thing about stereotypes is that they're sometimes right.
Agreed, I've seen a few Hiluxes and Patrols with those stickers on, they're not any of those brands... err wait...
:D
shifted
12-11-2010, 02:42 PM
Man, Zeitgeist was on the internet, is must be true
Never said it was.
Seen Zeitgeist, studied history. Certainly interesting, wouldn't take either for gospel.
Neither is half the stuff in books.
Either way, an opinion is an opinion. Every one has a right to have one. Just because some don't conform doesn't necessarily make them wrong.
End of the day, there are books and other media available that portray similar views, and not just from the last 10 years, and others that portray the opposite. You won't be able to please every one.
Dagon
12-11-2010, 02:43 PM
Your logic is wrong.
I didn't say "all commodore drivers are bogans".
I said "most bogans drive commos/falcons".
Ryan1080
12-11-2010, 02:47 PM
Your logic is wrong.
I didn't say "all commodore drivers are bogans".
I said "most bogans drive commos/falcons".
Let's just say you never get to see a non-bogan with a 'fuck off we're full' sticker...
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 02:49 PM
Let's just say you never get to see a non-bogan with a 'fuck off we're full' sticker...
Go to Bali, i'm sure there'll be a few vendors selling them that have NFI what it means...
But really, ridiculous argument is ridiculous.
Jumanji
12-11-2010, 03:57 PM
How many commodores/falcons with "Fuck off we're full" on them have you seen? Now, how many Audis? Mazdas? Toyotas? Nissans?
The thing about stereotypes is that they're sometimes right.
Stereotyping, perhaps you should join them, and see how much money time and effort you can make the government waste as well.
/CSB
P.S Cheers Xibitor :D
Dagon
12-11-2010, 04:05 PM
Aw, butthurt
Jumanji
12-11-2010, 04:05 PM
On the Basis of being stereotypical Dagon can go and join the illegal immigrants, because he is no use to the Australian society.
C'mon its the end of the day my insults tend to run low by this stage :)
Dagon
12-11-2010, 04:11 PM
Friday-afternoon-CBF-mode, the common-ground of every man.
Fuck this keyboard-warrior bullshit, I'm going home and bottling the 50 litres of beer that has finished fermenting in my shed!
Fukushima
12-11-2010, 04:20 PM
How many commodores/falcons with "Fuck off we're full" on them have you seen? Now, how many Audis? Mazdas? Toyotas? Nissans?
The thing about stereotypes is that they're sometimes right.
I saw a subaru forrester sti in at xspeed with one on the front windscreen
had a bit of a chuckle with the two pommy mechanics, 2 asian mechanics, and the asian owner
but you didn't mention subaru in your comparison so obviously it is a bogan brand
JNR man
12-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Ok.... Let me just say that Ive got one of those shirts that says fuck off were full and wear it proud to the Leonora airport regulary.Some good replies in thread and some i disagree with but everyone is entilted to their own opinion. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN !!!!!!
Mad_Aussie
12-11-2010, 04:36 PM
Ok.... Let me just say that Ive got one of those shirts that says fuck off were full and wear it proud to the Leonora airport regulary.Some good replies in thread and some i disagree with but everyone is entilted to their own opinion. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN !!!!!!
Fuck off. Antilags full.
It might be old news for some but i've just read in yesterdays paper that the Gillard Gov is now paying $4000.00 for assylum seekers to go home. This PISSES ME OFF. Wondering how everyone feels about this.............
i really piss off when i see this message~
DanWA
12-11-2010, 08:06 PM
you want bogan?
Just done a "stand still" in my driveway in my gemini
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1134.snc4/149618_465158703895_539028895_5564911_8242675_n.jp g
take the piss away
http://www.human.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/transparency_notfull_ver3.jpg
Fukushima
12-11-2010, 10:17 PM
qft
Dagon
13-11-2010, 07:50 AM
you want bogan? Just done a "stand still" in my driveway in my geminiStandies are what gemmis are for =D
I really really really really miss my '79 SL =(
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