THE CARS THAT P PLATERS ARE BANNED FROM DRIVING.....

[4GTEIT]

Here is a list of cars for NSW that P platers are not aloud to drive

I really hope it doesnt make it over here!
I dont understand why they would put a v12 vanquish on that list but? as iff a P plater can afford one of them! lol they will need to update that every year!

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/0605_nsw_prohibited_vehicles.pdf

[4GTEIT]

woo hoo there is only one corolla I am not aloud to drive!! hehe my motor wont ever get on that list :D :D doesnt say nothing about 4agze's either!

[Brockas]

BMW M3 is not on that list.
SR20 powered 180sx is not on that list.
vvt-i 1JZ powered soarer's are not on that list.

expect many revisions....

does anyone know if these rules apply to P platers who already have one of the named 'banned' cars?

[4GTEIT]

no m3 listed :D i can still drive my mummies E36 then :D :D

[4GTEIT]

The only way you are aloud to drive a banned car is if it required for your job ie. mechanics or prestige import place or something.. or your family ahs to share one car.

[lysdexia]

im happy to be off my P's in a couple of months, as it seems that WA's P Plater system is going to become homo spec quite soon.

[Joe]

What the?

P Platers arent allowed to drive V8 carby 1975 Valiant Safari Wagons, or turbo diesel Ford Courier utes??

They probably have about 100kw each!!!

They are taking this whole "turbo/V8" thing too far.

My sister is going to be very pissed off that she cant driver her Maybach 62 limousine to school anymore..

[zeroyon]

Brocka's it lists the years the car was made, so 89 to 97 180sx is banned.

I imagine you'd have a hard time arguing that the engine is wrong.

Notice there is no Cefiro's though ... there will be a run on these for P platers I reckon.

Till too many people relise and it gets added to the list.

Obscure cars just got a boost in there value.

[zeroyon]

Oh and I just noticed GT-R's are only banned from 1991 on.

89 ****ters are the way P platers .... lol

Obviously they got a lot of work to do to this list still.

[doriae86]

they need a similar system in WA
too many p plaer drifters driving around for my liking

[4GTEIT]

less commodores on the road = less road deaths I think you will find, why is it that allmost every accident or death involves a commodore??? :D

[doriae86]

does it ? or maybe most deaths because a higher proportion of the population drives them ?????

[muniom]

they need a similar system in WA
too many p plaer drifters driving around for my liking

showing you up? :lol: j/k



thank god i get of my p's in about a week!

oh and what if you say, buy a non-turbo silvia and just happen to drop an rb in it? muahahaha

[GENU1NE]

Ok i drive a commodore and i admit alot of dickheads drive them, but i see just as many accidents with skylines / silvias .etc.
Just the other week my mate went into a 4month coma and lost partial memory due to his mate in a skyline... No commodore involved.

Its not the car, its the person and the way theyre brought up and the crowds they hang with.
If they ban commodores, the idiotic few will just go buy different cars and kill themselves in them, and same goes if they ban skylines or silvias .etc. .etc.

Only reason you hear alot about commodores is because theyre cheap, better than a turbo to insure and theyre an australian car with very cheap parts.

But i think they should go ahead with this ban, but theyre missing ALOT of import cars and deadly weapons...
Im off my Ps later this year but it usually takes 12months+(if theyre lucky) to implement new road laws.

[doofus]

I think this is a pretty good thing and should be implemented asap. One other thing i think needs changing is insurance. Make it 'P' platers wanting insurance should have the car/insurance under their own name. That way costs will go up. If they can afford skylines and what not, surely they can afford higher insurance right?
If they dont like it, resort back to datsuns and corollas for 2 years :) Its just goes to show, that because of brain dead idiots, every new 'P' plater will be affected.

[B0BB0]

its only the Aus spec 32GTR's and a yr of the imported ones that are banned, so any 32gtr other that 6/91 -> 2/03 will be allowed. hahah

[4GTEIT]

very well said GENU1NE!! I agree with you totally!

[Brockas]

I think this is a pretty good thing and should be implemented asap. One other thing i think needs changing is insurance. Make it 'P' platers wanting insurance should have the car/insurance under their own name. That way costs will go up. If they can afford skylines and what not, surely they can afford higher insurance right?
Yeah that make sense doesn't it. Someone who saves up 12k in 6 years can all of a sudden afford 5-6k a year just for insurance? then fuel, rego, servicing etc.

How many P platers have actually died as a result of their car being powerful?
I know this kneejerk reaction came from the crash of that R34 GT-R by a P plater over east that crashed at 120km/h over the speed limit. Now the problem with this is that it wasn't even his car, it was his dads. He still would have taken it for a joyride even if these laws were in place.

I know many a P plater who has crashed in his 3.0L VL commodore because they take no pride in their cars.
I also know many a P plater who ownes a high performance import that has never crashed because they are too afraid of losing their cars. Take away this pride in their cars, and your left with a group of drivers who dont care whether or not they crash or not....

[GENU1NE]

Exactly, and i know many a VL drivers , VN drivers and VS drivers .etc. that love their cars and take much pride in them, and would hate to lose their car .etc.
And i know a few high performace car drivers who think they are the best drivers in the world, so they drive it like they stole it, and have put their mates in comas.

But in saying that, i know alot of high performance drivers and general car enthusiasts who drive respectably because they dont want to lose their car, their life or their loved ones .etc. And i know alot of commodore/falcon and general piece of crap cars that drive like a major threat to humanity and are using up my valuable air.
(Not generalising or having a go, just basing my thoughts that you cant label makes and models.)
It is about the type of cars people drive to an extent, but alot of it is the mentality of people and have they grown up yet.

Sadly it takes laws like this or even worse, death, for people to realise this.

[B0BB0]

Just look at cruise for examples. who are the people that do the stupid **** ?

i dont think u often see a gtr/supra/insert performance car do something stupid, yeh it does happen coz there are one or 2 tarts out there, but the majority of the heros are in **** cars.

[mazda]

the earlier rx7s arent banned either , yessssssss

i find it stupid that even the suzuki cappacino and the daihatsu copen are banned , simply because they are turbo.

pretty much you cant drive a turbo or a V8 or higher, could have an explosion of vtecs on us and other n/a tuned cars

[GENU1NE]

P Platers will just buy commodores or if they can afford it , new vtec powered cars.

[Gts_evilution]

BMW M3 is not on that list.
SR20 powered 180sx is not on that list.
vvt-i 1JZ powered soarer's are not on that list.

expect many revisions....

does anyone know if these rules apply to P platers who already have one of the named 'banned' cars?


Brockas, there is a thread about this on sau, and people were saying if you got your p's before the given data the law was put in you can still drive a import/turbo/v8

[Remix]

Doesn't say anything about hybrid engine conversions?

Stealth will be the key.

[Miami]

I think this is a pretty good thing and should be implemented asap. One other thing i think needs changing is insurance. Make it 'P' platers wanting insurance should have the car/insurance under their own name. That way costs will go up. If they can afford skylines and what not, surely they can afford higher insurance right?
If they dont like it, resort back to datsuns and corollas for 2 years :) Its just goes to show, that because of brain dead idiots, every new 'P' plater will be affected.

so....you would prefer to have THE most inexperienced, less skilled drivers on the road limited only to the most unsafe/least modern/worst condition cars on the road, cos they are unable to afford insurance for newer, safer cars with ABS/AWD/airbags etc, and the govt prohibits them from driving cars with advanced safety features all because it has the capacity to do 0-100 in 7 seconds.

even a datto 180-WHY?? is capable of doing 80 in a 60 zone, but it sure as hell isnt gonna stop nearly as quick as your skyline/celica/wrx.

why not focus on teaching new drivers how to actually drive, rather than bring into place ridiculous limits that in my view do little to actually increase the safety of P plater drivers.

0-100 is just ONE factor in measuring a cars performance....what about creating an index for cars taking into account 0-100, 100-0, safety features that come standard, and then say "ok, a 1970 sandman with a red 202 straight 6 is capable of 0-100 in 10 seconds, will stop 100-0 in 80m, has NO safety features standard...therefore, P platers are banned from driving them". consider how many young aussie guys drove a sandman or "aussie classic" when they first got their license.

[Sully]

i haven't read the whole thread because i've already done my token rant on this elsewhere. in short i think its a good idea in theory but they should have talked to some people that actually know something about cars before they put that list together. you aren't allowed to drive a smart car bacause its a turbo.... hmm.... that makes sense. they take about 5 minutes to reach 100 and thats about as fast as they go. interesting. yet you can still drive some of the turbo diesel 4x4's and work utes that absolutely hammer along. they really need to have a better look at this list

there is a seperate list for high powered 6 cylinder engines. just about the only car that has been missed by this that i can think of is the 340odd hp bmw e34 m5.

look here http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/0605_6cyl_vehicles.pdf

*edit* just read what everyone else had to say, ferret, what you are saying is pretty much what i've said elsewhere. there are some of the safest cars in the world on that list and some of the biggest death traps ever that aren't. it really is another fine example of politicians doing things just so that it looks like they may be somehow useful.

compiling a list like this and making it effective takes time and each car should be taken into consideration individualy before a decision is made. it really is a total farce

[31-EVO]

Personally, as i said to 20VBTSECA on msn, Once again the Department of planning and infustructure have no idea what are going on under the bonnest of cars!! Honestly this is just silly!! I think it is too late to start this now!! As good as it may be!!

[HotAe92]

my opinion is that people should be restricted to cars which are NA 4cyl. Sure VTEC and VVTI/-L cars would be at a severe performance advantage, but i know from personal experience that a car without a huge amount of hp will restrict u to what u can do. That way everyone is equal, and thers none of this p-plater owning v8 - turbocharged nonsense.

Think about it, the whole idea of p - plates is for u to gain road knowledge and experience. once ur off ur p's, sure own what u like, but u hav to consider the inexperience most p-plater posess.

U all carry on about the safety features of imports etc. etc. but what it comes down to is experience, if u have the experience and road knowledge before u jump into a high powered car then ur of lesser chance of causing urself, or others serious injury

[fluent]

U all carry on about the safety features of imports etc. etc. but what it comes down to is experience, if u have the experience and road knowledge before u jump into a high powered car then ur of lesser chance of causing urself, or others serious injury

thats assuming you survive with your little bunky under P's your forced to drive... with the amount of poor driving going around i dunno... lol :P

like previously mentioned by a few posts, driver education should be what needs to be implemented, better/more realistic driving tests/training instead of demonstrating you can park to get your license etc

All up, restricting people from high powered vehicles might actually help stop crashes/accidents but it is a "quick and dirty fix" imo which really shouldn't be implemented to this extent.. A re-evaluation/re-design of the way licenses are granted in Australia would be a better but costy solution.

[Skrappy]

I find it funny that the 2001 turbo corolla sportivo is on the list but the 03+ sportivos aren't on the list just because they aren't turbo. The newer ones put out much more and a more agreesive than the turbo models.

Implementing these laws won't change much, if someone is going out to speed and be a hoon then they won't care about being pulled over anyhow.

[Starion_turbo]

P platers there still continue to drive high powered cars on there Ps just like in Melbourne.

Over here its 125 kw per tonne. Some cars can get away with it some dont, its a 100 dollar fine and a possible tow home if the cops not in the mood.

Going to the city, u regularly see p platers in 34s, Cayenne turbos, s2000s anything. Some guys dont give a crap.

The biggest issue is insurnace tho, who when claim time comes can say to u - ohh its not legal to drive in Vic therefore were not honouring your claim.

[mark089]

So basically when i get my ps in under a year i will be stuck with a ****ter to learn in for 2 years? By the end of that two years chances are me and many others wont be into high performance cars anymore. May just have to go the old 13b turbo rx7

[S_E]

One other thing i think needs changing is insurance. Make it 'P' platers wanting insurance should have the car/insurance under their own name. That way costs will go up. If they can afford skylines and what not, surely they can afford higher insurance right?

Not really, I think they just won't insure them at all, brilliant.



Personally, as i said to 20VBTSECA on msn, Once again the Department of planning and infustructure have no idea what are going on under the bonnest of cars!! Honestly this is just silly!! I think it is too late to start this now!! As good as it may be!!

This is for NSW, did anyone read that bit at the start of the thread??

[DRKWRX]

just dont put your P plates up like me :) I havnt been pulled over yet and i reckon if had my P's on i would have been pulled over already.

[HotAe92]

just dont put your P plates up like me :) I havnt been pulled over yet and i reckon if had my P's on i would have been pulled over already.
do u know the fines associated with 'not displaying probationary plates'

[SircatmaN]

Its funny how all the people who agree with it are off there P's. Differant story when it doesnt effect you aye?

Besides it only effects people in NSW who get there P's as of july 12. Meaning if you get your P's on the 11th you can drive whatever car you want :)

Same will happen here. I mean they can't come and tell me that even though I have been driving turboed cars for over a year I am no longer experienced or skilled enough to drive one or whatever. I'm pretty sure thats why it only effects people after a certain date.

[Starion_turbo]

Yes I do know the fines, I found out first hand unfortunately.

In perth its $50 dollars per plate as far as I know.

In melbounre its 107 dollars + 3 points. Considering P platers have a MAXIMUM of 5 (yes five) points- it left me with 2. Since then, both my cars have P plates Glued on to the windows.

[DRKWRX]

Yes i do know the fines as ive been fined before for not having them up, but i dont look that young lol and i feel like a dickhead having P plates up cos im nearly 20 lol

[doofus]

Soz for starting up a stir, just voicing my opinion :) What i basically meant was the government isnt going to cough up more money just so 'p' platers can drive safer on the roads. We all know this isnt going to happen. No matter what new laws come in, their still gonna be dip****s about it.
As ferret did say a datsun is still capable of doing 80 in a 60 zone. But by seeing a increase in the insurance laws might have an impact on the way they consider 'driving safe'. Parents sure as hell dont want their kids driving with no insurance. So they'll probably pay more for insurance and less for the car. Costs on repairs and fuel will be cheaper too. Either that or the bus :D
But thats just my opinion :)

[Joe]

In melbounre its 107 dollars + 3 points. Considering P platers have a MAXIMUM of 5 (yes five) points- it left me with 2. Since then, both my cars have P plates Glued on to the windows.

107 bucks? Thats a bit of a random figure..

I suppose 3 points for you, 100 for the government, and 7 so the fat pigs who gave you the fine can go and buy a couple of happy meals..

[mek]

I think its a cracking idea. 99% of stupid driving in hi-po cars that i see is done by p-platers. Lets face it...if you have any love for fast cars the first thing you do when you get your p's is go and thrash hard. i think two years without hardcore cars like v8's and turbos is a good time to learn some respect for others on the road and also your driving skill. In most Countries you'd pay an arm and a leg for a turbo or v8 car...even v6 so i don't think keeping young drivers out of these cars is a bad idea.

The sooner the better i say!

plus...it's good news for my insurance if there aren't p-platers in hi-po cars!

[deeman111]

a "p" plater in a daihatsu charade doing 130km/h in the wet on a suburban street is just the same as a "p" plater in a 300hp monster v8 thing doing 130km/h in the wet... except the v8 probably has better brakes and handling ability.

The next problem will be people who just got off there p plates and go out and buy a powerful car. They still wont be able to handle the power and will be more inclined to do stupid **** as they spend 2 years driving a ****ter.

Youll never fix the "p" plate problem. Its just another quick idea to keep the masses happy. I say leave it to survival of the fittest... if its your time its your time.

Less people means more water for everyone else, less pollution, less crowded, more chance of winning lotto etc etc

-James

[doofus]

Thats sounds good and all, but you wouldnt be saying that if one of you're family members or you're own child dies from some stupid p plater. It does need changing. Its just giving the australian government a bad image. It will get worst, thats for sure..

[DRKWRX]

Im nearly of my P's and i think that P platers shouldnt be alowed to drive high powered rear wheel drives especially commodores they seem to kill a lot of people. Its not just the speed its being able to control that much power when you have no experience aswell as the car being able to get to high speeds much faster.

[Sully]

why just rear wheel drive cars? which wheels the power goes to has nothing to do with the power of the car or how fast it goes. as a general rule it will just determine if you get over or understeer out of a relatively unskilled driver. over and understeer can both result in injury/death.

i still think that driver training is a major point, however this is a step in the right direction. perhaps a test to show that you have the skills necessary to drive a high powered car would be good? learning car control is the key element to skillful driving.

[mek]

like motorbike licensing?

[DRKWRX]

Rear Wheel drives are much more dangerous to an unexperienced driver in my opinion, understeer just sends you into curbs lol i also think that you should first learn how to drive on the street with other cars before trying to learn how to control a high powered car.

[Philthy]

damn cant get that ferrari i wanted

[lysdexia]

Rear Wheel drives are much more dangerous to an unexperienced driver in my opinion, understeer just sends you into curbs lol i also think that you should first learn how to drive on the street with other cars before trying to learn how to control a high powered car.

have a think about that. you oversteer around a corner, spin it, and you end up facing the wrong way in the middle of the road. you understeer around a corner, fly up the kurb and go face first into a tree / power pole etc. i know which id rather do.

[DRKWRX]

lol yer if your lucky you will spin and face the other way, I have seen plenty of cars some which have been commodores that have hanged it out and then lost control and ended up around poles, trees walls etc... you cant honestly tell me that you think understeer is worse then oversteer, that is why lots of cars are designed from the factory to understeer when pushed to hard through a corner cos its more predicatble.

[evil_weevil]

just spotted another thing (not that it worries as me as i was off my P's yeeaaars ago!!) but my old car is on there - however they have stuffed up!

both the VTii exec sedan and wagon manuals have 5 speed typed there!
so they could get away with driving the real thing! :D

my thoughts though...i think its good but they need to re-assess it and have a hell of alot more driver training that is compulsary like getting your bike lic, and having pwer to weight restrictions - not just ban turbo's and 8's

anyhoo!
they can still drive magna's! :D but that'll give me a bad name :D

[Sully]

i suppose to an uneducated driver, understeer probably is safer. it does take a while learn how to catch unexpected oversteer, however, i would rather have oversteer than understeer. oversteer is easier to control once you know what you are doing. this is again where i think our driver training system is an absolute joke. paralel parking is an extremely important skill to have when you're out on the road. i know its saved my life many a time.

[deeman111]

i suppose to an uneducated driver, understeer probably is safer. it does take a while learn how to catch unexpected oversteer

Exactly why unexperienced drivers ( "P" plater) should have to drive them instead of RWD. If you take a corner and start sliding out towards the curb, you back off as you have ample time to react. If you take a corner and oversteer and spin out, theres very little time to react compared to understeer

-James

Oh and is it just me or does that list just look like they <copy - paste> from the Gran Tourismo 4 car list???

[Miami]

Think about it, the whole idea of p - plates is for u to gain road knowledge and experience. once ur off ur p's, sure own what u like, but u hav to consider the inexperience most p-plater posess.

U all carry on about the safety features of imports etc. etc. but what it comes down to is experience, if u have the experience and road knowledge before u jump into a high powered car then ur of lesser chance of causing urself, or others serious injury

i think this statement just about sums up the flawed notion of P plates resulting from an archaic driver education system. ***not having a go at HotAe92 personally here at all, he's just managed to put it in words best.***

surely it is the whole idea of *L-PLATES* "to gain road knowledge and experience". NOT P-PLATES. This is just the govt's way of scrimping on driver education, passing the buck onto P plater drivers to learn on their own, and then wondering why they have a high road toll in the P-plater/17-25 demographic. P plates should just be a way of notifying others on the road "hey, i'm kinda new out here, sorry if i cut you off or something", and of also proving that you're responsible enough to have your license (by way of lower blood alcohol limit, and in some states, less demerit points). so, Ps become more of a "right, we've given you the SKILLS you need to be on the road with the rest of us, now prove that your mature/responsible enough to be here". not "right, you can steer, and you can parallel park, now go out and learn how to drive, and if you make a mistake, try not to die".

how many of us on here, as relatively serious/interested drivers, have done either a defensive or advanced driving course?? why arent both of those incorporated as a compulsory requirement of your L plates?? considering that you only have to drive 1-2 hours out of the CBD in this state, and you encounter gravel roads, why are L platers not required to have even a minimal 5 hours driving experience on gravel??

the only reasonably smart idea i have heard proposed by any road authority recently is limiting the numer of "peer passengers" P platers are allowed to drive. how much stupid **** gets done by some guy who just got his P's, has taken his dad's car on saturday nite, and has a car full of pissed mates egging him on to "do a farkin burnout" or try some guy off the lights. and how many cars do you see come schoolies each year, driven down south by P plater drivers who have had their license for 8 months max, with a carload of mates?

for the amount of money the govt must spend on "research committees" to come up with these ludicrous ideas, and then what they spend on actually implementing them, i fail to see how the argument that "it'll cost too much to reform the driver education system" stands up.

[fluent]

wow couldn't have put it in better words ferret... *votes ferret for prime minister* maybe some real laws will come out then :D

[31-EVO]

Not really, I think they just won't insure them at all, brilliant.




This is for NSW, did anyone read that bit at the start of the thread??


I had realised that yes, i was just stating what i thought about the whole thing! :) :dizzy:

[HotAe92]

i think this statement just about sums up the flawed notion of P plates resulting from an archaic driver education system. ***not having a go at HotAe92 personally here at all, he's just managed to put it in words best.***

surely it is the whole idea of *L-PLATES* "to gain road knowledge and experience". NOT P-PLATES. This is just the govt's way of scrimping on driver education, passing the buck onto P plater drivers to learn on their own, and then wondering why they have a high road toll in the P-plater/17-25 demographic. P plates should just be a way of notifying others on the road "hey, i'm kinda new out here, sorry if i cut you off or something", and of also proving that you're responsible enough to have your license (by way of lower blood alcohol limit, and in some states, less demerit points). so, Ps become more of a "right, we've given you the SKILLS you need to be on the road with the rest of us, now prove that your mature/responsible enough to be here". not "right, you can steer, and you can parallel park, now go out and learn how to drive, and if you make a mistake, try not to die".

how many of us on here, as relatively serious/interested drivers, have done either a defensive or advanced driving course?? why arent both of those incorporated as a compulsory requirement of your L plates?? considering that you only have to drive 1-2 hours out of the CBD in this state, and you encounter gravel roads, why are L platers not required to have even a minimal 5 hours driving experience on gravel??

the only reasonably smart idea i have heard proposed by any road authority recently is limiting the numer of "peer passengers" P platers are allowed to drive. how much stupid **** gets done by some guy who just got his P's, has taken his dad's car on saturday nite, and has a car full of pissed mates egging him on to "do a farkin burnout" or try some guy off the lights. and how many cars do you see come schoolies each year, driven down south by P plater drivers who have had their license for 8 months max, with a carload of mates?

for the amount of money the govt must spend on "research committees" to come up with these ludicrous ideas, and then what they spend on actually implementing them, i fail to see how the argument that "it'll cost too much to reform the driver education system" stands up.


it is quite evident that u know ur ****! I agree with u on all parts, im all for all these new rules that will enfore a heap more hours to b logged by learners. However, I, a keen driver, wanted to make sure i had experience in all types of conditions before i went out there and tackled it on my own, i even clocked up 10 hours extra than required. However, it is these negligent people who go, i passed my test, i know how to drive and then write of their car in the next few months. i also would like to see the introduction of defensive driver tests to b compulsory in acheiving ur p plates. Again, being a keen driver and knowing that theres is always room for more knowledge and skill, im currently booked in the AHG defensive driving course level 3.

im not trying to boost myself up here, but 'p' platers do need to have a more proactive approach when getting ther licence, but as far as im concerned, no matter how many new laws and rules are introduced, ther are still going to be an alarming number of young driver deaths on our road, one way or another


Jayden

[mek]

It's hard to be proactive for these kids that are desperate for freedom. They just want their license and you have to remember that us as car enthusiasts are the minority.

I have done defencive driving and while it's useful when you are comfortable with your car i can't see it being useful to people who don't know the basics and aren't comfortable in their cars.

The problem is 100% in the initial testing. They are teaching people to pass a test but not to drive. You'd weed out 90% of morons if they actually made the testing process...testing!

But, like everything in this country...if there is a cheap skate way to do it it will be done. As long as the Government looks to be doing something then all the idiot who beleive their lies will breathe a breath of relief and their concious will be clear.

[MMM]

does anyone actually know the percentage of P Plater deaths a year?

[180 sx]

That will teach u P plates in NSW.lol. :shake: guess wot lol :op: take that

[RB20ZED]

i think the 125kw per tonne rule is good and should be implemented
oh and 200zr now for sale over east aswell lol buy up for unsuspecting performance

[Miggy]

I just read in the paper that there will be no performance car ban for P platers in WA.

[R31home]

Hey this aint that bad wait till they turn this into like other countries by raising up the age limit to get your license! Like singapore is 21! and other countries some up to 24years old then you can have it! Remember P stands for probationary and privilege!! :shake:

[mek]

I just read in the paper that there will be no performance car ban for P platers in WA.


Thats probably only because they need it as an excuse to keep pushing up fines and enforcement and because otherwise they wouldnt have as much stamp duty to fund their drugs, sex and booze habits.

[Brockas]

actually UWA just did research into this, and found that out of the road deaths of P platers in the last few years, only 2 were in proposed 'banned' vehicles, proving that banning P platers from driving these cars is pointless....

[Miami]

brockas - im waiting to get my hands on a copy of this study, should be an interesting read. also read a comment in the letters to the ed earlier this week, looked like it was possibly written by one of the investigators from that study - comment was made that the public would be astounded when the true figures regarding high-power cars and road-deaths/accidents were revealed....just went looking for the paper i saw it in to give a direct quote, but we must've chucked it.

interesting to see how much attention is paid to this study when it does get fuly released - considering its one of the biggest to have been conducted, and by a reputable investigator.

[sexy_tahlia]

thats ****in ****, its nearly every car ever made, they want us to ride out bycicles everywhere, hahaha.wishin

[MAD GTI]

LOL :lol: a daihatsu charade turbo made the list

[Dim]

in the latest motor magazine they showed some of the cars banned compared to some of the cars that havnt been banned.

ie. those daihatsu copen is banned where as a lotus exige isnt.

also mentions that many volvos which are considered the safest cars on the road are banned...

[///M]

wen i was getting my p plates...just under a year ago..i herd they were thinkn of bringing in a rule that before second phase L platers can go for the P's test they will need to proove they have completed the Advanced Driving Corse

[mek]

HMMM...after a seeing a few particularily horrible examples of p plate driving in the past few weeks i think they should revise the list into something sensible and put it into law.

Sorry to sound selfish but im sick of having a hard time getting insurance and then having to pay a huge premium because some kid cant co-ordinate their limbs enough to control a car.

Also, it has a plus that it might (this may be wishful thinking) reduce the number of times i have to go through the whole being pulled over non-sense.

[Joe]

This is fairly hilarious....the "boffins" at the RTA really did their research this time!!

http://drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=9988&vf=2&bg=1&pp=0

[///M]

nice find there balistic

[McKVNT]

I'm a P plater and I think that more training, although unlikely to happen, provided by the government would be a great idea. Personally I want to be able to control my car as best I can, thats why I never drink n' drive, thought thats not the issue here, I do drive at high speed occasionally(very), mostly on out of the way back roads. I don't think the banning would be a good idea, just a stepped system where you have to work your way up to a 'powerful' car, for example my R32 wasn't my first car, I started in a ****ty corona wagon, then moved onto a R30 skyline, having the lower powered older cars was good to learn how to control a small understeer/oversteer and you learn about the road a lot. If we were made to use these lower powered cars before higher hp ones I think we would learn alot more about the road and how to read traffic situations, weather conditions etc.

On the subject of safety I feel much safer driving in my R32 than either of my previous cars, purely for the reason that it has superior braking, handling, safety features, sure its a hell of a lot more powerful, but after learning in the other two cars, you know when to apply that power and when NOT to use it. Training and experience are the answer, not bans. Admittedly though a system similar to the one motorcycle users are a part of would be a step towards more experienced road users.

Cheers

[B0BB0]

i got more stupid in my 1.3million km ford, than i my gtr. hahah

with the nice car comes the care factor. i think a ban will be good and bad.

[McKVNT]

Oh I'm not saying I didn't go stupid in my last cars, or my current car for that matter, all I try and do is not let my confidence level exceed my competence level. Im not saying im a great driver, I only try and do things that I know I can pull off - things I may have done before and know they aren't too hard or complex for me to do. I try not to do them in heavily populated areas either, way out back roads are good for that. Either way a better system has to be worked out.

[ben351]

whats the big deal for the first couple of years yo have to drive a less powerful car oooo big deal ... less powerful cars use less fuel and are genuinly cheaper to run so in fact you are saving money so when you are more experinced driver off your p's you got bulk cash to buy your performance car you have been waiting for ... remember kids you gotta crawl before you can walk :)

[McKVNT]

Thats pretty much what I did with my first cars - got used to them and how they drive, oversteer etc. Not an expert but I certainly learnt to crawl before I could walk.

[peter_piper]

man thats bogus - soo many families are going to be pissed off. Especially all the commo communists. Damn... I like however, that I can slam a 20b cosmo twin turb engine in an rx-7 and it would be legal :D Or a turbo 12a, they say NOTHING about the 1131cc or 2311 model rotes - turbo or n/a .... I think i've just found my loophole ;)


Nor do they say anything about the turbo model lamborghini countach :)


Also correct me if im wrong, but I dont see an r32 gtr skyline on that list?????????????????

[Mistikal]

Turbo Diesel Courier 4X4 is listed, yet an RS Liberty made before 1991 is not. Hrmm... I wonder what would stand up more in a big car accident?

andy