F1 2012 chat thread

[satch]

They've made such a big step for some reason... lol wut ?

Lewis sure spends a fair amount of time whinging about everyone else, Maybe its just frustration getting the better off him.

[TJ]

Haha that quote is taken so out of context its not funny.

And Lewis has not whinged at all this year - I have heard him praise Alonso often, and keep relatively quiet when the car has been falling apart.

[SimonR32]

And Lewis has not whinged at all this year - I have heard him praise Alonso often, and keep relatively quiet when the car has been falling apart.

http://waterboyz.biz/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ScreenHunter_14-Jan.-23-03.21.jpg

[Lonewolf]

^^^^^ THIS

[TJ]

Show evidence please.

[Autopilot]

In Macca land Lewis can do no wrong, to suggest otherwise is just plain racist.

[Crammit]

Lewis has not whinged at all this year

Example A (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/08/lewis-hamilton-jenson-button-twitter)

Example B (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/183509/1/hamilton_rapped_for_twitter_telemetry_leak.html)

Defiantly has been on his rags less this year, but saying that he has not whinged all year is a wild claim that can only be topped by Blaaa saying the only reason he doesn't have an FD is because he "can't fit"

[TJ]

Ok so twitter was a whinge at the team

Twitter follow has nothing to do with the racing.

Tell me more about how he whinged about everyone else as quoted above.

[esky]

Hmmm thas not normal.

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http://www.gaiaconscience.com/img/trucorb2.gif

[esky]

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1o2qfr.gif

[Brockas]

That's awesome ^^

Incredible how they can pass the specific deflection tests, and still have that happen. That's one hell of a technology.

[TJ]

Holy shit look at that bitch flex!

Alonso - sip... shit nigga this aint champagne... sip again

[DISTRBD]

Holy shit look at that bitch flex!

Alonso - sip... shit nigga this aint champagne... sip again

I think he was thinking if he should glass Vettel or not :P

[Sully]

So the wing itself doesn't flex but the whole nose cone does a dance. Sneaky mother fuckers!
Wonder how they manage to get that through crash testing.

Freds face is gold. WTF is this shit? Note to self: Winning in Abu Dhabi isn't worth it.

[Autopilot]

Fucking rose water! you'd think they'd make an exception for F1 and let them spray some Moet.

[Buckets]

Fucking rose water! you'd think they'd make an exception for F1 and let them spray some Moet.
They never use Moet, it's Mumm... Much better than that fucking shit !

[Joe]

Fucking rose water! you'd think they'd make an exception for F1 and let them spray some Moet.

Islam doesn't care much for motorsport.

[mehow2g]

Moet is for poor pingpingpingpings

[Autopilot]

How much dearer is a bottle of Mumm than Moët?

[jaybee]

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[TJ]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/frijns-i-twice-said-no-to-red-bull/

LOL @ Robin, kid will go far.

[Sully]

Wow. He's right, but diplomacy fail much?

[Sebdullah]

Islam doesn't care much for motorsport.

they take the joys out of life

[Jazza]

I already like him.. hahahah

[V70R]

How much dearer is a bottle of Mumm than Moët?
Around same price but massively better.
Moët is like sparking tap water.

[TJ]

Lewis - even if he wins the final 2 rounds (more likely two mechanical DNF's of course), he finishes with less points than he did in 2011, which was by far his worst year, a 19 race season with the second best car, vs 2012 with arguably the best car in a 20 race season where he's driven exceptionally. How the hell is that even possible?

Im disgusted to be a fan atm. So much promise, so much fail this year.

[Kaido]

Lewis - even if he wins the final 2 rounds (more likely two mechanical DNF's of course), he finishes with less points than he did in 2011, which was by far his worst year, a 19 race season with the second best car, vs 2012 with arguably the best car in a 20 race season where he's driven exceptionally. How the hell is that even possible?

Im disgusted to be a fan atm. So much promise, so much fail this year.

the team has let him down so much it isn't funny!

I personally think this season Lewis was the only driver that had the car which could match Vettel. It's a shame it didn't happen

[Buckets]

Martin Whitmarsh on Lewis, Sergio, Newey and why they've gone to shit.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2012/11/14037.html

[pgc]

Martin Whitmarsh on Lewis, Sergio, Newey and why they've gone to shit.

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2012/11/14037.html

Great interview.

And apparently a rubber nose is "in order".

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55405/f1-specialists-clear-red-bull-over-rubber-nose-controversy

[TJ]

Rumour has hit the street that HRT needs to be sold by Dec 2 or they are done for good.

I know they are shit, but losing a team is never good.

[TJ]

And also - remember the US GP is not 8pm perth time on sunday you fucks!

[V70R]

And also - remember the US GP is not 8pm perth time on sunday you fucks!
My guess will be 3am Sunday for Qually and 3am Monday race start.
Looking forward to work monday morning!

[Sully]

Rumour has hit the street that HRT needs to be sold by Dec 2 or they are done for good.

I know they are shit, but losing a team is never good.
Any guesses as to who might be keen on buying? They've just moved into a nice new factory haven't they?

[TJ]

Atm, no one it seems.

Spains economy is bust, and who wants to buy the worst team around?

[V70R]

Atm, no one it seems.

Spains economy is bust, and who wants to buy the worst team around?

Ross Brawn turned a failing Honda around and had instant success with Brawn F1.

[SimonR32]

Ross Brawn turned a failing Honda around and had instant success with Brawn F1.

By cheating...


... or at least heavily bending the rules

[Joe]

Antilag F1?

[TJ]

Ross Brawn turned a failing Honda around and had instant success with Brawn F1.

Your are not seriosuly comparing HRT to Brawns story?

[V70R]

Your are not seriosuly comparing HRT to Brawns story?
why shouldn't I?

A team was dying and bought which resulted in instant success. Whatever Ross did with the FIA regulations is history, it worked for him.
I'm not saying Ross should buy HRT and do the same.

[Kaido]

why shouldn't I?

A team was dying and bought which resulted in instant success. Whatever Ross did with the FIA regulations is history, it worked for him.
I'm not saying Ross should buy HRT and do the same.

Did you forget, that Honda pretty much wrote off the 2008 season to focus development on the 2009 car? Honda had spent alot of time , money and effort to build a good race winning car

[V70R]

Did you forget, that Honda pretty much wrote off the 2008 season to focus development on the 2009 car? Honda had spent alot of time , money and effort to build a good race winning car
Yes I know that. It was the time when they started to focus on efficiency. Trust me, I was a huge fan of Honda F1 and upset they suddenly quit their F1 campaign.

[esky]

why shouldn't I?

A team was dying and bought which resulted in instant success. Whatever Ross did with the FIA regulations is history, it worked for him.
I'm not saying Ross should buy HRT and do the same.

seriously?

Honda sent a full year and 300 odd million euro developing the 2009 car, then sold the team. Ross took over the team with his own money to run it, with full knowledge that they had a very good chance of winning based on the double diffuser concept which was very obvious a great advantage in the regs.

HRT....erm it's virtually the opposite, no money in it, no development no chance of achieving anything. Why would anyone buy it?

But you think the two are similar?

[V70R]

seriously?

Honda sent a full year and 300 odd million euro developing the 2009 car, then sold the team. Ross took over the team with his own money to run it, with full knowledge that they had a very good chance of winning based on the double diffuser concept which was very obvious a great advantage in the regs.

HRT....erm it's virtually the opposite, no money in it, no development no chance of achieving anything. Why would anyone buy it?

But you think the two are similar?

Mate I know Honda had coin and spent a shit load prior to suddenly pulling the pin.
All I am saying is that Ross Brawn bought a team going out and had instant success.
No arguement over HRTs and Honda F1 financial differences.

My point is, it would be great for the sport if someone bought HRT and turned it around.

[TJ]

Honda's wind tunnel bill for June 2008 - End of 2008 was bigger than every dollar HRT has ever had combined.

They are nothing alike. Nothing.

[SimonR32]

It's a pitty the Japs have pulled out of the sport... There used to be a lot of teams from the land of the rising sun, now there is none!

[TJ]

They have always done better as technical partners.

[Buckets]

They have always done better as technical partners.

This... I'd love to see Honda engines back on the grid (in McLaren's where they belong ! ;) )

[V70R]

Changing topic.
Rio de Janeiro have put in a bid to have its circuit brought back to life to replace the current Interlagos.
I'm also keen to see whats going to happen with the new New Jersey circuit after the storms of last week. Hopefully It's still on schedule as planned.

[satch]

New Jersey was already deferred to 2014 due to not getting its act together. Because its New Jersey Bernie gave them more time, any other circuit they would have been replaced.

[Jazza]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104210

Spot on!

[fourseven]

Jacques Villeneuve says Fernando Alonso is the best.
Jackie Stewart says Fernando Alonso is the best.
Lewis Hamilton says Fernando Alonso is the best.

Paul Brockbank says Fernando Alonso ISN'T the best.

[Autopilot]

I thought Adrian Newey was the best?

[Brockas]

LOL what a fucking stupid article.

Summary:
Fernando Alonso is the more mature and level headed driver.

He's 31.... Seb is 24.
No fucking shit he's more mature right now.

People are so quick to forget that when Alonso was 26 he spat the dummy at McLaren and left the team crying because he got beaten by rookie.


Jacques Villeneuve says Fernando Alonso is the best.
Jackie Stewart says Fernando Alonso is the best.
Lewis Hamilton says Fernando Alonso is the best.

Paul Brockbank says Fernando Alonso ISN'T the best.
*yawn*

I actually do think Alonso is the best, overall, driver on the grid, but I'm so sick of hearing that he deserves the championship etc etc

Why bother with any races then? Alonso has been probably the best driver for quite a while now, which is why Ferrari signed him up for 5 years.

Don't even bother with racing for the title, just give him the WDC at the start of the season. That's basically what you're after, right Rhett?

[fourseven]

Lol hook, line and sinker.

[Kaido]

FYI

One HD times:
Sunday: 1:30am-3:30am qualifying
Monday: 2:30am-5:00am race

[[Jacek]]

^ wtf

Worst news ever :(

[mys1]

It's America? 12 hour time difference.

It's still live :)

[TJ]

http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2012/the_way_it_is_no361.html

Very interesting read.

I was/am a massive Indycar fan, Andretti was one of my heros growing up.

[[Jacek]]

Yeah i know its america but I just didnt ever think of the time difference :( Oh well, i'll set the alarm

[Kaido]

Formula 1 teams to face tougher front wing tests in 2013
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104255

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104254
Changes to the DRS system for 2013, no longer are you allow to use the system anywhere on the track in prac and qualifying

[Jazza]

How pissed off would you be if you're Lotus or Redbull.. spend $ developing a DRS system that works well in quali for it to be banned. Seems pretty standard though, I don't know why this wasn't done earlier to prevent teams spending money on this sort of thing! DRS should be used for overtaking in the right area and nothing else imo.

[SimonR32]

Or alternatively they could make the rule you can use it everywhere apart from the DRS zone, in which you could only open the wing if you were within a second of the car in front.

[Brockas]

10 minutes to go in P1, Hamilton was topping the times with Alonso and Vettel about equal and not far behind.

All 3 kept going, Vettel made a few a adjustments.

Finished:
1. Vettel
2. Alonso +1.4
3. Hamilton +2.2


Hopefully it's a sign of things to come :)


Kimi Raikkonen stopped at the end of P1 with an unconfirmed issue.

Mark Webber with liquid pouring out of the side of his car. Possibly fuel.

[TJ]

http://www.pacificgrandprix.com/

legit site.

[crabman]

Holy shit, Netscape. Hello primary school flashbacks to 'the incredible machine'

[dmwill]

Fucking channel 10.

I'm fine with it being live on OneHD, but not keen to be up at 2am Monday morning.

Figured I'd avoid all news and watch the replay on Monday night, but that too is on at 11:30pm onwards :(

[FranZ]

What's OneHD's problem? According to the tv guide on yahoo its scheduled live. As Kaido has pointed out qualifying starts at 2am Sunday morning, the race at 3am Monday morning.

[beatle]

Torrents, torrents...

[dmwill]

I'm not saying OneHD has a problem....My point is that some people might not be keen to stay up beyond 3am on a Monday morning to watch it live on OneHD and would prefer to watch the replay on Channel Ten which is generally on at 8:30-930pm on a Monday night, but Channel Ten appear to have no logic and the replay for Monday night is at ~11:30pm.

[ELUSIV]

Will be Redbull's race to lose. Their high down force set-up's will prove to be a big advantage here.

It's been hilarious to watch people going into Turn 19 and just getting all crossed up and then fighting through 20 to try keep the back end under control!

[beatle]

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7836071/Formula_1_2012_R19_United_States_Grand_Prix_Qualif ying

Sky sports copy

[Adr3naL1N]

I'm not saying OneHD has a problem....My point is that some people might not be keen to stay up beyond 3am on a Monday morning to watch it live on OneHD and would prefer to watch the replay on Channel Ten which is generally on at 8:30-930pm on a Monday night, but Channel Ten appear to have no logic and the replay for Monday night is at ~11:30pm.

what? channel 10 never put a replay of a one day old f1 race on prime time tv on a monday night. always been on 1030/11ish the replays. They have their prime time tv shows for monday nights.

dont know what you have bee looking at.

[Kaido]

Will be interesting race, Ferrari run both cars on scrubbed tyres Q3. Me thinks Alonso has gone for a race setup But with the speed of RBR its going to be a hard race. 1st corner is going to be interesting, they where saying there is no grip on the left side of the grid at all, bets they will be a smash into turn one heres me hoping its hamilton into vettel lol!

[TJ]

Lewis did a mega job to get with 1.5 tenths, but that RBR looks stupidly good.

[Lonewolf]

links to streams people will be using?

[Jazza]

Ferrari considering changing Massa's gearbox to put Alonso further up the grid!

[Sully]

Ferrari considering changing Massa's gearbox to put Alonso further up the grid!
Penalty confirmed. Massa takes it on the chin like a barriche.... erm.... champion...... no wait that's not it either.
Ferrari being sneaky buggers as always, it's dirty but legal. I like it :)

[Butla]

Tensport streaming working for anyone?

[TJ]

Smart guys - Alonso is their only focus atm

[Lonewolf]

if its as bad as the drivers say, it probably wont hurt felipe much anyway, so very smart move.

[Frenchy]

Go Fred.....what a start, and webber finally

[Fozzy]

Gonna be a looooong day at work today

[bjohnson]

Look at the lock ups. Zero grip.

Hamilton with nothing to lose could shake things up.

[bjohnson]

Also Hulkenberg is on fire!
figuratively speaking that is.

[Frenchy]

Ricciardo is doing well, from 20th to 13th




Now 7th!! Nice

[TJ]

10th atm!

[Frenchy]

Post qualifying question...


Q: (Kate Walker - Girl Racer) Question for Seb and Mark: I understand that this is the first weekend or the first race where you are using the new alternators in the race. Do either of you have any reliability concerns?
MW:Good journalism. It's good that you know more than me. I trust the guys, they do whatever they can to make sure that we have the best possibility to have the smoothest Sunday afternoon, irrespective of what parts are on the car, in what area of the car. So I have one hundred per cent trust in them that they're going to do what they can to get us home and they've obviously selected those alternators for a reason and put their best foot forward.

Yep.......

[Butla]

Awesome pass Hamilton! Once again vettel crying like a little bitch when he isn't winning. No surprise there

[TJ]

yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

fuck you mclaren - had you not fucked Lewis in Singapore And Abi Dubai and and and and and we would be going to brazil for a 3 way fight!

[Butla]

Yes!!! Awesome work Lewis. Definitely should be fighting for the championship if not for that car.

[Kaido]

and this is why i think vettel is a dick


Vettel said over the radio that "it's Karthikeyan's fault" after being passed by Lewis Hamilton, explaining in the post-race press conference that lapping the HRT allowed Hamilton to get close enough to attack.

[Butla]

and this is why i think vettel is a dick

Spot on bevan! Every time he isn't winning the tears come out. Fuck you vettel!

[fourseven]

Vettel drops a place in the fastest car on the grid.
Alonso gets a podium from the 4th row.

Tell me again Brockas who is more deserving?

[bjohnson]

So Vettel heads to the final round with a 13 point advantage.

Which means to win Alonso has to finish:
1st with Vettel 5th or lower.
2nd with Vettel 9th or lower.
3rd with Vettel 10th or lower.

If Vettel retires or scores no points Alonso still needs to finish at least 3rd.

I hope they get rain because it has the makings for an awesome finale!

[mehow2g]

Vettel to crash

[TJ]

Alternator to fail final corner while leading from lewis and fred

[Brockas]

Vettel drops a place in the fastest car on the grid.
Alonso gets a podium from the 4th row.

Tell me again Brockas who is more deserving?
In race pace, the Ferrari and McLaren are as fast if not faster (Fred was catching Mark as well).


In qualifying Alonso got beaten by Massa and had to be gifted a place to get onto the clean side, which gained him positions.

Definitely WDC material.

[Kaido]

In race pace, the Ferrari and McLaren are as fast if not faster (Fred was catching Mark as well).


In qualifying Alonso got beaten by Massa and had to be gifted a place to get onto the clean side, which gained him positions.

Definitely WDC material.

woth Alonso and Massa where +30sec off Hamilton and Vettel at the end of the race... wouldn't say they are as fast or faster than RBR ;)

[Brockas]

woth Alonso and Massa where +30sec off Hamilton and Vettel at the end of the race... wouldn't say they are as fast or faster than RBR ;)
LOL ok.

Button finished 54 seconds behind Hamilton, does that mean Jensen's car is over a second a lap slower than Lewis's?


Total race time includes things like traffic, battling with other drivers, and tyre strategies. Look at the individual lap times at certain parts of the race for a better indication.

[Kaido]

LOL ok.

Button finished 54 seconds behind Hamilton, does that mean Jensen's car is over a second a lap slower than Lewis's?


Total race time includes things like traffic, battling with other drivers, and tyre strategies. Look at the individual lap times at certain parts of the race for a better indication.

yes it does ;) would be interested to see a post of the individual lap times, it looks like it took alonso 10 or so lap to get some speed out of his tyres once he pitted

[Sully]

What a fucking race! It wouldn't have mattered if the title had been decided 5 weeks ago, that was still a ball tearingly awesome spectacle.
The driving standards have come up a hell of a long way since the middle of the season and it was absolutely awesome to see a real straight out, on track battle for the lead from two cars playing on about as level a playing field as you'll ever get.
That call from Red Bull that it was a back markers fault for the loss is the most pathetic excuse since ever, Lewis was going to get him at some point.
Alonso was unbelievably lucky on race day, just about everything fell his way. Poor starts, failed pit stops, etc. His and Vettel's season have been such a contrast to get them to more or less the same point coming into the last race. Amazing.

Interlagos. Who else is getting up early for it? Has there ever been a dud race there? Alonso CAN pull it off but he's going to need a bit of help along the way I think! Vettel's title to lose now.

[TJ]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/177626_462488643804050_662724759_o.jpg

I will be up for Brazil.

[TJ]

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Great to see him so happy

[Brockas]

That call from Red Bull that it was a back markers fault for the loss is the most pathetic excuse since ever, Lewis was going to get him at some point.
Really?

I know I'm going to be called biased, but Vettel was holding Hamilton at 1-2 seconds for a number of laps, then dropped 4 tenth's with Karthikeyan. As soon as that happened, Lewis was in the DRS zone and the pass was inevitable.

After that, Lewis kept the gap at 1-2 seconds from Vettel, just like Vettel was doing to him previously. Without intervention from a back-marker, Lewis wasn't going to drop half a second to Seb and allow him back into the DRS zone.



I honestly think they were about as evenly matched as two cars could be, and agree it was just fantastic to watch them battle.

My heart was in my mouth when Lewis went for the pass though, he was SO close to the right rear tyre of Seb's car. If that had resulted in a puncture I suspect punch-ons would have ensued.

[Brockas]

Great to see him so happy
Think he regrets signing with Mercedes yet?

[TJ]

McLaren wins - Those first 4 names say alot.

1 Ayrton Senna 35
2 Alain Prost 30
3 Lewis Hamilton 21
4 Mika Häkkinen 20
5 David Coulthard 12
6 James Hunt 9
7 Kimi Räikkönen 9
8 Niki Lauda 8
9 Jenson Button 7
10 Denny Hulme 6
11 Emerson Fittipaldi 5
12 John Watson 4
13 Fernando Alonso 4
14 Gerhard Berger 3
15 Juan Pablo Montoya 3
16 Peter Revson 2
17 Bruce McLaren 1
18 Jochen Mass 1
19 Heikki Kovalainen 1

Ron, on the other hand, he mad -

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[TJ]

Think he regrets signing with Mercedes yet?

No, not yet.

But when he finishes a lap down in Melbourne, probably.

Having said that - they will now ditch the ddrs as its useless next year, and hopefully can spend the winter getting the car to somewhere near the front.

[Kaido]

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With Alonso on his comment that not many team would be honest about what ferrari did with massa car

[Sully]

Really?

I know I'm going to be called biased, but Vettel was holding Hamilton at 1-2 seconds for a number of laps, then dropped 4 tenth's with Karthikeyan. As soon as that happened, Lewis was in the DRS zone and the pass was inevitable.

After that, Lewis kept the gap at 1-2 seconds from Vettel, just like Vettel was doing to him previously. Without intervention from a back-marker, Lewis wasn't going to drop half a second to Seb and allow him back into the DRS zone.



I honestly think they were about as evenly matched as two cars could be, and agree it was just fantastic to watch them battle.

My heart was in my mouth when Lewis went for the pass though, he was SO close to the right rear tyre of Seb's car. If that had resulted in a puncture I suspect punch-ons would have ensued.

Yep, that's how I saw it anyway. Lewis had caught up to Seb as the tyres went up and down in grip and they worked through traffic, I think he would have had another shot at the lead even without back markers.

Also, it's Formula 1, there's always back markers and both drivers have to get past them. We've got DRS these days so the driver following will always have an advantage but all the drivers know that. Unless you can somehow be VERY clever with your timing for reaching the back markers AND blocking your opponent then you've just got to suck it up and move on. Certainly not the first or last time someone has lost a race because of backmarkers. If you want to stay in the lead, you have to be faster than the car behind - same speed isn't enough any more.

To add to that, cucumber man hasn't been reprimanded or even mentioned by the stewards so he couldn't have done anything untoward. Red Bull always like to have a soundbite as to why something didn't go their way (fuel issues last week?) and they never come out and say we weren't good enough or got it wrong so a backmarker had to do.

[Brockas]

Also, it's Formula 1, there's always back markers and both drivers have to get past them. We've got DRS these days so the driver following will always have an advantage but all the drivers know that. Unless you can somehow be VERY clever with your timing for reaching the back markers AND blocking your opponent then you've just got to suck it up and move on.
Correct, "lucky" Seb was a bit unlucky IMO catching such a slow backmarker in a spot in which isn't possible to pass. Not complaining, just think it was a bit unlucky.


To add to that, cucumber man hasn't been reprimanded or even mentioned by the stewards so he couldn't have done anything untoward. Red Bull always like to have a soundbite as to why something didn't go their way (fuel issues last week?) and they never come out and say we weren't good enough or got it wrong so a backmarker had to do.
LOL ok.

RBR said the reason Lewis got into the DRS zone is because Seb lost 4 tenths when he caught Narain. That's a fact, not an excuse.
Earlier in the season, the RB8 wasn't fast enough and the team and drivers said 'we aren't fast enough'. They didn't have excuses, they simply weren't fast enough.

Again, I'm not trying to be one-eyed, that's just how I see it.

[fourseven]

Sure thing cyclops.

[Brockas]

Sure thing cyclops.
LOL

Fernando gets comprehensively out-qualified by his chump of a team-mate with 2 races to go. "Deserves world drivers championship"


This is you:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9KKyuF8PGUo/T2NCzoql-UI/AAAAAAAABYo/NiPEMU5LMog/s1600/Turanga-Leela-Pictures-9.jpg

[fourseven]

LOL I haven't said anything about being deserving for 2 races now.

[Sully]

LOL ok.

RBR said the reason Lewis got into the DRS zone is because Seb lost 4 tenths when he caught Narain. That's a fact, not an excuse.
Earlier in the season, the RB8 wasn't fast enough and the team and drivers said 'we aren't fast enough'. They didn't have excuses, they simply weren't fast enough.

Again, I'm not trying to be one-eyed, that's just how I see it.
Yep true I'll give you that, what I should have said is when they lose from a position where they should have won they often come up with something. They weren't fast enough to run away from Hamilton this weekend, therefore we'll say it was a back marker. Fuel system went wrong last weekend therefore Renault determines how much fuel we put in. Not, we weren't fast enough this week or we had a fuel system fail last week. That just bugs me. It's F1, not politics!

I still stand by my previous comment that to stay in the lead of a tight race these days you need to be faster than the car behind you, and those two were the same pace. When you can only manage a 2 second gap you've got to expect trouble at some point and you'd be lucky to not come under attack, especially towards the end of the race when the field is so spread out.

I don't think you're being one eyed or biased, we're just looking at it a different way. Means it was a good race :)

[iluv2moan]

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With Alonso on his comment that not many team would be honest about what ferrari did with massa car

yeah Alonso and Ferrari are always completely honest

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[TJ]

In 2010 he couldn't admit to it.

[Jazza]

Wtf Brockas.. Lewis was in the DRS zone for 5+ laps and they both went through more than one back marker. Lewis also couldn't use all his kers each lap either. Once he got passed he just managed the gap. You're SO one sided its not funny! Vettel's instant dummy spit didn't surprise me, not the first time this year!

[Brockas]

Wtf Brockas.. Lewis was in the DRS zone for 5+ laps and they both went through more than one back marker. Lewis also couldn't use all his kers each lap either. Once he got passed he just managed the gap. You're SO one sided its not funny!
Oh for fucks sake man, watch the video above. Lewis admits that he couldn't get past Seb until he saw he coming up to a backmarker, so he saved his KERS on that lap.


Seriously, do you both reading or watching anything F1 related any more or are you just obsessed with saying the opposite of what I say?


Who gives a fuck anyway. Lewis drove brilliantly, I thought Seb and Fred also put in solid races and overall it was a great race. I'm sure you'll find something in that statement to argue with though.

[Kaido]

yeah Alonso and Ferrari are always completely honest

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as TJ said 2010 team orders where not allowed, following that the FIA change the rules to allow team orders the following year if i remember right. As much people bag out Ferrari they have always been about the Team and not the driver, they never try to hide this and many people disagree with it but its the way Ferrari is and has always been to them the Team is more important than one single person, hence why the fired Prost when he was saying bad things about the car

[TJ]

Paul - Lewis did have Kers issues - could only discharge about 75% - I thought he was saving it for S3, but you could see each lap it wasnt going to 0 on the straight.

[SimonR32]

LOL at everyone ganging up on Brockas! Bit unfair on the poor boy because he is right, Hamilton wasn't going to overtake without something happening to his advantage (back marker) and after he took the lead he showed that there was very little speed difference between them.

Well done to DR for picking up the 6 spots, thought he was going to be a little higher but I think they left him out on the first run too long.

[JME]

Great race all round. Almost feel the Mclaren is getting tighter and lewis is leaving a potentially strong car in 2013.

ps: Vettel is a bitch, he can drive but im certain he wears a garter and a blouse under that suit.

[TJ]

LOL at everyone ganging up on Brockas! Bit unfair on the poor boy because he is right, Hamilton wasn't going to overtake without something happening to his advantage (back marker) and after he took the lead he showed that there was very little speed difference between them.

Well done to DR for picking up the 6 spots, thought he was going to be a little higher but I think they left him out on the first run too long.

Yup - I was a bit devoed when he came back out in 13th - and simply didnt have the hard tyre pace to bridge the gap.

[Sully]

Great race all round. Almost feel the Mclaren is getting tighter and lewis is leaving a potentially strong car in 2013.
I think he knows something we don't about Merc. We know he's only happy when he's winning or at least putting up a serious fight and Merc certainly ain't doing that. There's got to be more to it than just greater freedom in personal sponsors. We've been told that the money is the same or near enough so that seems to be out.

Merc have just bought the remaining 40% stake in the team from Aabar (I think it was them anyway) Perhaps taking it back so they can throw money at whatever they want without having to consult anyone? With Brawn running the show I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled something out.

[Jazza]

Oh for fucks sake man, watch the video above. Lewis admits that he couldn't get past Seb until he saw he coming up to a backmarker, so he saved his KERS on that lap.



I didn't say he'd get past I said you were wrong about needing back markers for DRS and that he had a KERS problem. Gotta love your rage though :D

[Jazza]

Tj's post on Rhett's wall is fairly relevant to here too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEzqCcF2mps&feature=youtu.be

[Brockas]

Yup, because Vettel who started out in a Torro Rosso doesn't know what it's like to have to out-drive a shit car...

So much opinion, so little facts or stats to back it up.

[fourseven]

No, he's just won 2 championships (soon to be 3) in the fastest car on the grid every year.

Alonso meanwhile won both his championships in a fucking Renault, when McLaren, Ferrari, Honda and Toyota were arguably better/faster cars for most of both seasons.

[TJ]

No, he's just won 2 championships (soon to be 3) in the fastest car on the grid every year.

Alonso meanwhile won both his championships in a fucking Renault, when McLaren, Ferrari, Honda and Toyota were arguably better/faster cars for most of both seasons.

Jeez thats a long bow.

The combo of reliability and pace made it the equal 2nd at worst.

Toyo had flash in the pan weekends, Honda was ok until they worked out it was cheating, Ferrari had Michael who probably masked the fact the car wasnt quite as good as previous years and the McLaren with Kimi and Monty was mega but fragile.

[Brockas]

shhh TJ, you can't disagree otherwise you're "one-eyed".


Anyway, thought this might be interesting for people:

http://i47.tinypic.com/nq7m2c.jpg

[bjohnson]

Not long now.
Weather forecasts keep changing but I think currently they're predicting heavy rain for the race.

Also in other news, HRT is done.
James Allen says the factory is closed as of Monday and staff have been given redundancies.

People on the autosport forums have said they've been just meeting their contractual obligations (to avoid massive fines) by showing up at races. They turn so few laps because they can't afford the wear on the cars. Rumor is that Brembo have said they are having brake failures because they are running parts 3x their recommended life. Apparently in Austin they glued PDLR's front wing back together when it got damaged.

As much as it sucks to see a team fold, I won't be sorry to see them go. They suck so bad they don't even count as an underdog.

[fourseven]

Jeez thats a long bow.

The combo of reliability and pace made it the equal 2nd at worst.

Toyo had flash in the pan weekends, Honda was ok until they worked out it was cheating, Ferrari had Michael who probably masked the fact the car wasnt quite as good as previous years and the McLaren with Kimi and Monty was mega but fragile.

The Ferrari was a great car, but 2005 the Bridgestone's couldn't cut it against the Michelins. McLaren won more races combined in both seasons, Fernando still won the championship. Honda and Toyota were still 4th in the constructors both years if I recall correctly. Ferrari were always in the mix.

LOL at one eyed. You're talking Vettel up like he's god's gift to Formula 1 because he won a race in a Toro Rosso, but Fernando winning championships in a Renault means nothing against Ferrari and McLaren? Sure thing cyclops!

[Brockas]

Also in other news, HRT is done.
James Allen says the factory is closed as of Monday and staff have been given redundancies.

People on the autosport forums have said they've been just meeting their contractual obligations (to avoid massive fines) by showing up at races. They turn so few laps because they can't afford the wear on the cars. Rumor is that Brembo have said they are having brake failures because they are running parts 3x their recommended life. Apparently in Austin they glued PDLR's front wing back together when it got damaged.

As much as it sucks to see a team fold, I won't be sorry to see them go. They suck so bad they don't even count as an underdog.
Good riddance IMO.

They were nothing but mobile obstacles anyway.

[TJ]

Glue is commonly used to fix the wings etc.

[TJ]

“It’s going to be different to all my other races. I’m going to be happy and sad at the same time.
“I’ve had such a great journey with these people.

“I’m not leaving because I am unhappy with them. I’m leaving because I want a new shot at something, a new challenge.

“I don’t know if I will be in tears. I’ll try not to, but when I was last at the factory, I really felt it.

“At the start of this year I wanted to stay at McLaren. I wanted to take them to the top. I thought we could have done it this year if we did not have so many problems, but it was not until August that I started to think about moving.

“I had to write a list of pros and cons. On one side you had McLaren who have a great car and great backing and a great team. I could have stayed there and won a couple of races or even a championship. It’s very rare that we would have the same problems as we did in 2009.

“Or you can go somewhere else where it is a young team and you can help build a foundation, just like Michael did with Ferrari. It will prove I am capable of moving to another level.

“I can carry on going round with people thinking I am quick, but I just don’t want to sit about and get to 35 knowing I’ve stayed in the same place. I want people to see that I can drive a car that is not as good but still work around it.

“It doesn’t matter what my dad or manager wanted me to do. It was my decision.

“I remember when I had to make the call. I didn’t know which way to go. I sat outside, looked at the sunset and tried to envisage what it was going to be like. But I am generally a risk taker. If I see a risky opportunity, then I’m likely to go for it because it’s more fun””
— Lewis Hamilton about leaving McLaren and how he took his decision

[TJ]

On that note.

Lewis @ macca for the last time (perhaps) this weekend.

Goodbye Michael - v2 has been an interesting ride.

Goodbye HRT.

[TJ]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdulixiX521rq4ve8o1_1280.png

[Jazza]

He's a legend, won't be as exciting watching him battle for 5th+ but fingers crossed for 2014

[Brockas]

As much as I think he's an arrogant fuck, I'll actually be disappointed if he's not up the front next year fighting for wins. He's an entertaining driver.

[Jazza]

http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/formula1/news/121122/Alonso_deserves_title_this_year_Button

One more on the list who doesn't agree with Sir Brockhog

[ALEX.]

What's the go everyone?
Who's doing what for the last round?

A quick squiz at Carbon bar schedule shows the race is 'TBC'... and with a small screens icon next to it.
I can't see them playing soccer (sorry, football) over the F1 final round up on the big screen.

Are people heading to friends'; does anyone know of and places that will be staying open specially till after midnight on Sunday to show it? etc etc..

[Buckets]

A quick squiz at Carbon bar schedule shows the race is 'TBC'... and with a small screens icon next to it.
I can't see them playing soccer (sorry, football) over the F1 final round up on the big screen.


They did last year.

[Joe]

Rumour has it that the Chinese are looking at HRT.

HRT's occasional Friday driver is Ma Qing Ha, and he has backing from a few companies including the Chinese Motorsport Federation, so its only natural that a few rich Chinese people might snap up the team for a steal.

It will be awesome to see China entering F1 for the first time.. by the end of the season, the car will look identical to the Ferrari and will be called Forrari.

[NoOg_sTaR]

Soccer will always prioritise over the F1 at Carbon. It is a casino with the TAB right next to the bar. People bet on soccer a lot more than F1 along with the fact it is more mainstream and it brings a demographic that tends to drop illogical bets on the tables which generates the cash.

[masTers]

Nah that TAB is always shut whenever you want a bet, even when there is major international horse racing being shown at Carbon.

[Brockas]

http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/formula1/news/121122/Alonso_deserves_title_this_year_Button

One more on the list who doesn't agree with Sir Brockhog
You're still going on about this?


It's an opinion. After this weekend (hopefully) the record books will always record Sebastian as winning it.


ps. That's rich coming from Jensen. I didn't hear him talking about who 'deserves' shit when he won his world championship with a dominant car for the first half of the season.

[regi]

.. by the end of the season, the car will look identical to the Ferrari and will be called Follari.

fixed?

[TJ]

Its Button too - which means its totally off balance.

[Sully]

Its Button too - which means its totally off balance.
Not really a gripping statement. Wont gain much traction with comments like that.

[Autopilot]

Its Button too - which means its totally off balance.


Not really a gripping statement. Wont gain much traction with comments like that.

Come on guys!

[TJ]

http://www.f1zone.net/news/ferrari-clamp-down-on-alonsos-social-media/16867/

Even Freds in trouble

[Buckets]

It is reported the clampdown is the result of several controversial updates by the championship-charging Spaniard, including a photo he posted in Austin of himself and Felipe Massa holding a huge gun, with a caption declaring title war on Sebastian Vettel.

BEST !!!

[TJ]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdymo9b3451rp29lio1_500.png

Hahhahahahahahahahahhaha!!!

[Buckets]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdymo9b3451rp29lio1_500.png

Hahhahahahahahahahahhaha!!!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL !!!

[bjohnson]

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Awesome.

[TJ]

Antti Kalhola makes the BEST F1 videos. Goosebumps.

[ClevoCapri]

Thats was awsome. Cant wait for tomorrow night!

[TJ]

So glad Lewis gets to go out on top.

[mischief1]

DND! TJ, Jarryd, Rhett all having a bat right meow..

[Brockas]

Jazza / Rhett are probably trying to concoct a way to explain how Alonso still deserves championship despite qualifying 3 places lower than his chump of a team mate :)



Should be a great race. Hoping Ferrari don't instruct Massa to become a Vettel-bound missile.

[Brockas]

Maldonado penalised 6th to 16th.

Pushes Ricciardo up to 15th and onto the clean side of the grid :)

[TJ]

Jazza / Rhett are probably trying to concoct a way to explain how Alonso still deserves championship despite qualifying 3 places lower than his chump of a team mate :)



Should be a great race. Hoping Ferrari don't instruct Massa to become a Vettel-bound missile.

Vettel also qualified behind Button - doesnt deserve shit :P

[Buckets]

Hoping Ferrari don't instruct Massa to become a Vettel-bound missile.

Plenty of people are hoping Massa does just that. It wouldn't be the 1st time tactics like that have been used to win the WDC. I hope Seb's car explodes, Lewis has one last win as he won't have another one any time soon, Ricciardo makes the points and over takes Vergne in the WDC standings and Seb's car fucking explodes. Fuck Seb.


Maldonado penalised 6th to 16th.

Pushes Ricciardo up to 15th and onto the clean side of the grid :)

Right in the path of Maldonado...

[mischief1]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdymo9b3451rp29lio1_500.png

Hahhahahahahahahahahhaha!!!
I'm sure his laughing too, all the way to the bank!

[Adr3naL1N]

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401177_4087496388302_1773605754_n.jpg

[Kaido]

Jazza / Rhett are probably trying to concoct a way to explain how Alonso still deserves championship despite qualifying 3 places lower than his chump of a team mate :)

Should be a great race. Hoping Ferrari don't instruct Massa to become a Vettel-bound missile.

Vettel also qualifying behind his chump of a team mate too :)

[Jazza]

Plenty of people are hoping Massa does just that. It wouldn't be the 1st time tactics like that have been used to win the WDC. I hope Seb's car explodes, Lewis has one last win as he won't have another one any time soon, Ricciardo makes the points and over takes Vergne in the WDC standings and Seb's car fucking explodes. Fuck Seb.



PERFECT!

[Sully]

So, Shumi retires in Brazil again. Will Kimi take a shit to celebrate?

[fourseven]

RBR to be officially known as Infiniti Red Bull Racing in 2013.

[Kaido]

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546778_213304602138076_732726523_n.jpg

Alonso still only paying $5 to win the championship!

Weather forecast: Cloudy with showers. High 72F. Winds SSE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.

[Lonewolf]

as above, praying for rain to spice things up a bit for the last round :)

[KAL SPL]

What time does it start tonight ?

[Autopilot]

Midnight

[KAL SPL]

Bugger , going to be a long day tomorrow ...

[Sebdullah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/will-bernie-ecclestone-be-forced-to-leave-formula-1-behind-8347700.html

this could be interesting to say the least

[Kaido]

watching pre race show, doesn't look like rain :(

[TJ]

What time is it?

Gaaaaaaaaaaame time!

[TJ]

Michael sounded like he was in tears in the car.

[Fukushima]

Anyone got zbox? Can we complain about the ad breaks?

[TJ]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Tones]

Fuck yes!!!!

[fmx939]

Wow!

[Kenzo]

Yeeesssssssssssss :D

[jaybee]

shit just got real

[Lonewolf]

fingers crossed for penalty for vettel for turning in on senna?


aannnnd here comes the rain

[Kaido]

fucking crazy out there...!!

Massa doing an awesome job of covering alonso come on massa take Vettel out!

[Kaido]

What where they saying about vettel pasting under the yellows?

[Tones]

Serms to have passed koby under yellow but no word on review yet

[Brockas]

"Kobyashi has a Leeroy Jenkins moment"

Best commentary ever. LOL!!!

[JME]

Oh no guttered for the Hulk.

[Kaido]

its over..... :(

[Kaido]

brb.... slitting wrist ....

Ferrari do the pingpingpingpingy thing and protest the overtaking under yellow flags

[Adr3naL1N]

awful stradegy for dan from torro roso, 5 pitstops and now loses bulk points with jev picking up 4.

does not reflect at all how badly dan killed him this year

[Douche Bag]

Yay Kimi 3rd

[TJ]

I am over the moon for Caterham - 11th to steal back the 10th place and all the $$ for constructors.

Insane race, so much going on.

Alonso's stare at the end - the look of a shattered man.

Goodbye Schumi - your contribution to the sport was incredible. Good and bad.

Good bye Lewis @ macca, and what a sad way to go out. I have no idea how Mercedes will go, but I hope your immense talent is not wasted.

Incredible year - best ever F1 season?

[fourseven]

Congratulations to RBR. You demonstrated a unique ability to bend, blur, break and challenge the rules.

Congratulations to Vettel for escaping a drive-through for overtaking under yellow flags.

[SimonR32]

awful stradegy for dan from torro roso, 5 pitstops and now loses bulk points with jev picking up 4.

does not reflect at all how badly dan killed him this year

Yeah spewing about that :-( I think he would have ended up 5th without the extra stops

[JME]

Fucking amazing season, cept the bit where Vettel wins :-)

[Sebdullah]

amazing race & whole season
spewing to see schumi leaving

[Fukushima]

brb.... slitting wrist ....

Ferrari do the pingpingpingpingy thing and protest the overtaking under yellow flags

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/scott-tenorman-picture.jpg

[Kaido]

wow massa emotion! so happy he has finish the season on a high!

[bjohnson]

Just wow!!

Couldn't have asked for a better finale!

[Kaido]

Pat Fry just say "he think it was yellow strip flag (oil flag), not a yellow flag"

[SimonR32]

Very sad end of the f1 season, Lewis you were driver of the year and didn't deserve that.

Jazza is on the drugs again! Delusional :)

[fourseven]

Yeah was oil flag. FML.

[Brockas]

Lol I think the word of the year on this forum is "deserve".
So much opinion, yet so little fact. After getting taken out on the second lap I can't believe how well Vettel drove.


Youngest triple world champion in the history of f1. You don't do that by being an "average" driver.



Can't wait to hear how one-eyed I am.

[Bomber]

deserve

[Fukushima]

tj always bangs on about how good hamilton is, I didn't see him forcing his way back into the race after his collision with hulkenburg

[SimonR32]

I can't believe the Vettel's car took such a hit and carried on... Aren't Newey cars meant to be fragile?

[mys1]

Vettel - Luickiest pingpingpingping of the year more like

ANY other driver would of had to retire.. somehow finger boys car holds together...

Cut wrists wont heal any time soon.

FUCK YOU FUCKING VETTEL LOVING pingpingpingpingS!

[Bob]

Kimi looking for a drive through? Got hungry? Priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugig2WPx860

Awesome season.

[TJ]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104598


Brazilian GP: Ferrari says Alonso deserved the 2012 F1 title

[SimonR32]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104598

Totally unbiased opinion haha

[esky]

That finger pointing nazi fuck has to be the luckiest pingpingpingping on earth.

[Alt_F4]

Fuck Vettel must be the luckiest pingpingpingping on earth to have beaten so many highly deserving fuckers for 3 years.

[[Jacek]]

Sure, lucky - but also bloody hard working and focused.

As much as I hate him, you have to respect a result like that. So hard fought, so close to failure in the end (imagine if Senna had caused even just a little bit more damage), and not just in this race but in most.

Also, what a defining moment this turned out to be:
http://www.onlyyoungdrivers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Lotus+F1+Teams+French+driver+Romain+Grosjean+and+M cLaren+Mercedes+British+driver+Lewis+Hamilton+cras h1.jpg

[bjohnson]

LOL at Vettel not deserving to win because he's lucky that the damage wasn't worse... Because the championship isn't decided over 20 races or anything.
If he was really lucky then the damage wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I guess you could make it more fair. What they really need is a numbered system where each driver is assigned points based on their position relative to every other driver at the end of each GP weekend. You could then add those numbers together over the 20 races in the season and the driver who has the most points obviously would deserve to win? Oh wait...

Also, Thought this was gold!
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ytpLbtAznis" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Brockas]

I guess you could make it more fair. What they really need is a numbered system where each driver is assigned points based on their position relative to every other driver at the end of each GP weekend. You could then add those numbers together over the 20 races in the season and the driver who has the most points obviously would deserve to win? Oh wait...
LOL spot on.

All you Vettel hating fags can harp on about who deserved what, and not a single fuck is given. Why? Because he's now the youngest triple world champion.

In terms of the WDC, that now makes him better than Fred, and 3x better than Lewis.

:)

[Brockas]

Congratulations to RBR. You demonstrated a unique ability to bend, blur, break and challenge the rules.

Congratulations to Vettel for escaping a drive-through for overtaking under yellow flags.
LOL you are SO one-eyed. Ferrari have never bent the rules, ever.

Flags were red and yellow indicating a slippery track.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rhage moment though :)

[V70R]

Was a brilliant finish to the season.
Opinions and suggested deserves aside, I'd like to look back at the year and say what an awesome 2012 season we just had.

Kimi: priceless! Just 2 weeks after informing everyone "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing" he goes awol during the race and finds another track to drive on.
Sebastian: luck was on his side.
Schumacher: luck was not on his side.
Alonso: coulda woulda shoulda but didn't.
Lewis: Keeps his chin up.
Potato Maldonado: WTF dude?
Grosjean: WTF dude ?

[esky]

Vettel deserves it, he got the points when it mattered.

Still a lucky pingpingpingping.

[mischief1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbkrWJsEpSE&sns=em

[Lonewolf]

agreed vettel/rbr did deserve to win.
I dont think he's the best driver in the field, but had the best driver+car combo and that shows at the end of the season.

I still rate Nando as the best driver, to come within 3 points when the Ferrari was so disappointing for a lot of the year.

[pgc]

Just got this press release from Infiniti.

New for 2013 - Infiniti Red Bull Racing

- Triple Constructors’ World Champions to become known as ‘INFINITI RED BULL RACING’
- Infiniti to become a major Technical Partner, deepening collaboration on engineering and development projects
- Infiniti joins Alliance partner Renault, official engine supplier to Red Bull Racing

Infiniti, the premium automotive brand from Japan, and Red Bull Racing, the three-time FIA Formula One Constructors’ World Champion, today announced a comprehensive extension of their partnership originally established in March 2011. The partnership will involve the team name changing to INFINITI RED BULL RACING and Infiniti named as the major technical partner starting with the 2013 Formula One season.

Johan de Nysschen, President of Infiniti, commented, “While our first 24-months have been very beneficial to both parties, our new deeper relationship will bring increased advantages to Infiniti and Red Bull Racing. As title partner, INFINITI RED BULL RACING will help us garner even more worldwide exposure for our brand, products and technology.”

Red Bull Racing’s Team Principal Christian Horner stated, “Red Bull Racing and Infiniti have been working on a number of initiatives since the start of our relationship in March 2011. During that time, Infiniti has demonstrated significant technical prowess and I’ve been impressed by the depth of the wider engineering capabilities of the Nissan Motor Company. In terms of marketing, Infiniti has leveraged their involvement with Red Bull Racing and Formula One very effectively and has become well known in a short space of time. These two attributes are what makes Infiniti the ideal title and technical partner for Red Bull Racing.”

The enhanced partnership, starting in 2013 and initially carrying through to end of the 2016 season will see a number of new technology initiatives. Adrian Newey, Red Bull Racing’s Chief Technical Officer also welcomed the long-term nature of the agreement. “Formula One presents immense design and engineering challenges on a daily basis. Having a committed technical partner like Infiniti gives us a great platform for working together on technical projects, such as the Energy Recovery Systems for the 2014 season.”

[Bob]

Datsun F1 cars. Cool!

[Stig]

I think "Datsun Redbull Renault" sounds better.

[Brockas]

Still a lucky pingpingpingping.
He did lose a large whack of points with alternator failures. All 3 of the 'top' drivers had some bad luck at some stage of the season. Alonso got taken out by Grosjean, and Lewis... well, I think Lewis ran over a black cat that was under a ladder while smashing half a dozen mirrors.


I still rate Nando as the best driver, to come within 3 points when the Ferrari was so disappointing for a lot of the year.
Qualifying aside, the Ferrari has been a strong car all year, just not in the hands of Massa (who appears to have finally come to grips with it now).


Look at Fernando's results... the lowest he finished all season (excluding the two retirements) was 9th!

You can't get 13 podiums in the season with a car that has shit race pace, regardless of how good a driver you are.

[ClevoCapri]

Well it was an awsome season.
And at the end of it the best/most consistant driver and car won the championship.
Just "deserving" something means absolutely fuck all. It is motorpsort, not a popularity contest.

[ClevoCapri]

Another awsome quote by Kimi.

"Where I went off you can get back on the track by going through the support race pit lane, but you have to go through a gate. I know this as I did the same thing in 2001 and the gate was open that year. Somebody closed it this time. Next year I’ll make sure it’s open again."

[JME]

Still a great season all round, here's to 2013 doing same before a revamped structure in 2014. It's a good place for F1 fans worldwide really!

[Lonewolf]

Qualifying aside, the Ferrari has been a strong car all year, just not in the hands of Massa (who appears to have finally come to grips with it now).


Look at Fernando's results... the lowest he finished all season (excluding the two retirements) was 9th!



I class a "strong" car as being quick on both days, its race pace was certainly better than quali though.

[Buckets]

Still a great season all round, here's to 2013 doing same before a revamped structure in 2014. It's a good place for F1 fans worldwide really!

Spot on. While I personally didn't want Seb/RBR to notch up another one it's easily one of the best F1 seasons I can remember. 2012 was a brilliant season for the sport. I'm already looking forward to 2013 and all things going well I might hopefully get to a few GP's. F1 on the whole is fucking awesome (even if some fucking Kraut in a Newey weapon keeps winning the WDC.)

[Sebdullah]

fuck yes, awesome infinity is on board

[Sebdullah]

I think Lewis ran over a black cat that was under a ladder while smashing half a dozen mirrors.


nah it's coz he's black

[TJ]

I agree with Paul - the Ferrari may of had average one lap pace, but its race pace was great at nearly every race.

Every car has its weak points.

RBR - straight line speed
Macca - reliability.
Merc - eats tyres

etc etc

I still think Lewis Vettel and Fred drove at an incredible level this year. Well done to them. I know its popular to hate on Lewis but if we drop the deserve word... it was probably him. On it from day 1 of the season, ruined by the team -

-reliability
-pit stop blunders
-team dedicated to making Button fast again... WTF - Leading the title, throwing your support behind a guy who got fucking lapped in Canada. Amazing.
-Got Maldanondoed, Romained and Hulked out of great points.

But the first one killed it.

[Kaido]

He did lose a large whack of points with alternator failures. All 3 of the 'top' drivers had some bad luck at some stage of the season. Alonso got taken out by Grosjean, and Lewis... well, I think Lewis ran over a black cat that was under a ladder while smashing half a dozen mirrors.


Qualifying aside, the Ferrari has been a strong car all year, just not in the hands of Massa (who appears to have finally come to grips with it now).


Look at Fernando's results... the lowest he finished all season (excluding the two retirements) was 9th!

You can't get 13 podiums in the season with a car that has shit race pace, regardless of how good a driver you are.

All Bullshit aside, Brockas you can not say the Ferrari was a good car all season. The fact remains that the Ferrari had a poor car at the beginning of the season. Massa didn't really start putting in good constant results till Spa. It was clear they where having issue and never got ontop of there aero issue for whatever reason. I would say there would have been not many races this season where the Ferrari was on par with RBR or Mclaren with race pace.

You just have to look at how many times Ferrari bought updates for their car and then never used them because they did not work, and at the same time the other top runners where bring updates that where working.

Vettel deserver the championship because at the end of the day he had more points than Alonso, i don't think anyone is denying that Vettel is a good driver or has skilled. But one must ask if Ferrari actually had a clue, would Vettel be a 3 time world champion. The answer is no and Ferrari only have themselves to blame for this

[EVLO]

Fanboi's arguing their man deserved the title most.. that's surprising.. :D

[ClevoCapri]

If you look at the wins.
In the first half of the season McLaren,Ferrari and RBR all had 3 wins each.
By the end of the season, McLaren and RBR have 7 wins, Ferrari still only 3.

So if McLaren and Ferrari had there shit together, the champion would be Hamilton not alonso.

But it would seem RBR got there shit together after there poor start first, and Vettel is the champ.

Its going to be a long wait for next season!

[mehow2g]

Win 3 world championships didn't deserve it.

[Brockas]

All Bullshit aside, Brockas you can not say the Ferrari was a good car all season. The fact remains that the Ferrari had a poor car at the beginning of the season. Massa didn't really start putting in good constant results till Spa. It was clear they where having issue and never got ontop of there aero issue for whatever reason. I would say there would have been not many races this season where the Ferrari was on par with RBR or Mclaren with race pace.

Ok, I realise this is probably futile as you're as big a Ferrari fan as I am RBR... but:

1. This "poor car" Ferrari had lasted all of 4 races, 1 of which Alonso won. After that, Alonso finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 1st. You can't do that with a shit car.

2. If you're basing the performance of the car on the results of the 2nd driver (you keep mentioning Massa), then the RB8 was a "poor car" for 6 races in a row (Germany -> Japan).

I'm not saying the Ferrari was a better car, I'm just saying it's a lot closer (in terms of race pace) than people are claiming.


But one must ask if Ferrari actually had a clue, would Vettel be a 3 time world champion. The answer is no and Ferrari only have themselves to blame for this
And that's just typical Ferrari-supporter rubbish.

Ferrari have a clue. They built a very solid all-round car, and that enabled Alonso to almost win the championship. Saying RBR have only won because Ferrari hasn't is the most pointless comment I've ever seen in this thread.


It's like me saying "well, if RBR had a clue when they started in 2005 they've have 7 championships by now".

[fourseven]

Ok, I realise this is probably futile as you're as big a Ferrari fan as I am RBR... but:

1. This "poor car" Ferrari had lasted all of 4 races, 1 of which Alonso won. After that, Alonso finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 1st. You can't do that with a shit car.



Bollocks.

Schumacher, Raikkonen, Hakkinen, Senna, Alonso... the list goes on for those who have consistently won or been on the podium in terrible cars, especially Raikkonen and Hakkinen in the McLaren years.

We've not seen Vettel get consistent podiums in a shit car yet. When we do, then my opinion of him will change. Until then, congratulations, 3 time WDC is epic.

[Kaido]

Ok, I realise this is probably futile as you're as big a Ferrari fan as I am RBR... but:

1. This "poor car" Ferrari had lasted all of 4 races, 1 of which Alonso won. After that, Alonso finished 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 1st. You can't do that with a shit car.

2. If you're basing the performance of the car on the results of the 2nd driver (you keep mentioning Massa), then the RB8 was a "poor car" for 6 races in a row (Germany -> Japan).

I'm not saying the Ferrari was a better car, I'm just saying it's a lot closer (in terms of race pace) than people are claiming.


Fair points, i guess we have to agree to disagree on some points, However i will agree that Ferrari had better race pace compare to their qualifying pace



And that's just typical Ferrari-supporter rubbish.

Ferrari have a clue. They built a very solid all-round car, and that enabled Alonso to almost win the championship. Saying RBR have only won because Ferrari hasn't is the most pointless comment I've ever seen in this thread.


It's like me saying "well, if RBR had a clue when they started in 2005 they've have 7 championships by now".

2010 Ferrari gift Vettel the Championship, You can't deny that. Ferrari made a Huge call in the last race regarding pitspot to cover Webber. The call was that bad that people where fired over the call. If they didn't bring Alonso in when they did to cover Webber he would have won the championship that year.

Maybe my choice of words where incorrect/poor by saying Ferrari doesn't have a clue, it just seem that each season they are missing the whole package, they will get one area right but another will let them down badly. For example this year there reliability was near perfect, but there aero development had many issue and come on how long does it take to fix a wind tunnel? this isn't the first season we have heard of Ferrari having issue with there wind tunnel or maybe they just have monkeys working for them in the aero development?

[FranZ]

I reckon if Ferrari did win the WDC and WCC this year Pipicelli, you'd still be arguing and making excuses for them not getting every pole and winning every race!

This year it was all about consistency, Macca, Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams and Mercedes all showed moments of brilliance. Likewise drivers themselves showed moments of brilliance - although not necessarily at the same time. This is where I think RBR and Vettel excelled; when the car was good Vettel just happen to be good at the same time making the pairing great.

[Stig]

I know its popular to hate on Lewis but if we drop the deserve word... it was probably him. On it from day 1 of the season, ruined by the team -

-reliability
-pit stop blunders
-team dedicated to making Button fast again... WTF - Leading the title, throwing your support behind a guy who got fucking lapped in Canada. Amazing.
-Got Maldanondoed, Romained and Hulked out of great points.

But the first one killed it.

Lewis will look back at 2012 and think "what an awesome year" compared to the hurt he's gonna experience at Merc next year - how disappointing has Merc been in 2012? Shocking.

[Kaido]

I reckon if Ferrari did win the WDC and WCC this year Pipicelli, you'd still be arguing and making excuses for them not getting every pole and winning every race!

This year it was all about consistency, Macca, Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams and Mercedes all showed moments of brilliance. Likewise drivers themselves showed moments of brilliance - although not necessarily at the same time. This is where I think RBR and Vettel excelled; when the car was good Vettel just happen to be good at the same time making the pairing great.

Lol i may be a Ferrari fan boy however, i am not blind to Ferrari and its ways, Ferrari has no one to blame but itself for the position it is in. years of arrogance will do that :)

Personally i think if Macca didn't fuck with hamilton so much he would have most likely won the championship lol

But at the end of the day Vettel won it and therefore deserver it! whether he had the best car on the grid or not you cant go from starting last to finishing 4th without some skill :P


I just Pray that RBR keep making a good car so Vettel never moves to Ferrari lol

[fourseven]

I'm the opposite. I want Vettel out of RBR so we can see what he's like without Newey.

[Torquen]

I'm the opposite. I want Vettel out of RBR so we can see what he's like without Newey.

This. Please.

[mehow2g]

I would lol if vettel came to Ferrari with alonso letting vettel pass because he's a better chance of championship.

In other words I'd love to see vettel make alonso his bitch.

[SimonR32]

HOLY SHIT!

Just remember I had cash on the Nazi for WDC from before the season started. Legitimately forgot until just reading all the bitching above :)

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[TJ]

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