E3 2013

[anton]

So the Microsoft Press Conference was Very lackluster EA Conference Was Killer had a Big Grin on my Face
some cherry-picked vids


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZhbV9s1Ag

New BF4 Single player


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJY7n8KaOY

BF4 Multiplayer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZTeVnM5Sw&feature=youtu.be

BF4 Commander


http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/a06hsx/nba-live-14-e3-2013--game-debut--stream-

New NBA Live



But They Pale In Comparison


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx4JQf8qR-k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB4ZZ-2xVWE

[INSINR8R]

Just watching now and read comments on BF4 Multiplayer, you can collapse entire skyscrapers? Holy shit.

Watching those guys go up the elevator and with the music playing was awesome.

That Commander with tablet capabilities is unreal. I love how you can control shit like that. Seriously, if you're not playing this game when it comes out, there something wrong with you.

Mirror's Edge 2 looks awesome. Loved the first game.

[anton]

Ubisoft just blew my mine with "The "crew" will post link when its available

Star wars battlefront tho, holy shit i mean a Star Wars FPS that might be alot like battlefield.. man i saw the snow and i had biggest grin on my face

[anton]

OK Ubisoft Knocks it out of the park for the seocnd year in a fucking row , last year watchdogs blew my mind but DAM

They open with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8LLVLJd-WM

i was all like WTF is this what game are they pushing then BOOM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWJD8DMasCU


and here's "The Crew"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6oOg7LXxiI

[duste]

The Division...holy shit, keen!

[masTers]

The Crew looks impressive, and Killer Instinct officially announced! I know it doesn't sound like much, but the original was massive back in the day, and amazing achievement for the SNES.

[adrenalin]

New south park trailer was released as well.

Just me or did anyone else find that cutscene hilarious ?

[maximus]

Well Sony pretty much just killed the Xbone: No always online requirement, no restrictions on used games, selling, swapping etc. and $100 USD cheaper.

[anton]

New south park trailer was released as well.

Just me or did anyone else find that cutscene hilarious ?

Nagasaki.... Hilarious

[Jaak]

Well Sony pretty much just killed the Xbone: No always online requirement, no restrictions on used games, selling, swapping etc. and $100 USD cheaper.


8:05: That’s a wrap! To recap: no used games restrictions or online requirements, $399. Other stuff aside, that information puts Sony in a much stronger position than it was this morning. And it was looking pretty good this morning

fuck yeah!

[Brockas]

Well Sony pretty much just killed the Xbone: No always online requirement, no restrictions on used games, selling, swapping etc. and $100 USD cheaper.

$200 cheaper!

$599 for XBox, $399 for PS4.

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/06/11/4480852/art-743101117-620x349.jpg

[Jazza]

$399 in Aus? Anything under $500 and I am well happy!!

[Brockas]

I suspect it will be $499, but the XBox will be $699 by the time it gets here.

Still buying a PS4 regardless.

[Sebdullah]

wow that's awesome

[stumps.]

I suspect it will be $499, but the XBox will be $699 by the time it gets here.

Still buying a PS4 regardless.

Xbox 1 pre order - $598 at jb hifi

http://www.jbhifi.com.au/games/xbox-one/?utm_source=jb-au&utm_medium=global-wings&utm_campaign=xbox-one-wings

Edit - Payment subject to change

Edit 2-

PS4 pre order - $549 at JB Hifi

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/game/ps3/ps4-playstation-4-console/586352

[huggy_b]

I suspect it will be $499, but the XBox will be $699 by the time it gets here.

Still buying a PS4 regardless.

I suspect our tin pot little market will get ass raped like usual.
I'd be surprised if it launches at $500. PS3 launched at US$600 from memory and we got it for +$1000. We'll get it at I reckon $800 if the stars align.


EDIT: $550 - amazing. I retract the above! There is some kind of god.

[masTers]

PS4 officially announced by Sony Australia @ $549.

Disappointing in some respects, but a massive improvement over the $999 PS3 launch price. No specs released yet on HDD size?

[Brockas]

I suspect our tin pot little market will get ass raped like usual.
I'd be surprised if it launches at $500. PS3 launched at US$600 from memory and we got it for +$1000. We'll get it at I reckon $800 if the stars align.
The exchange rate is a little different than in 2006.

$549 still isn't bad compared to previous releases.

[s1mon]

Sorry, I just had to

http://i.imgur.com/AtWGpGQ.png


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qg7vcgh26uqgif/ku-medium.gif

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qg84xqo191hjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

[huggy_b]

The exchange rate is a little different than in 2006. I doubt it'll be that expensive.

$549 still isn't bad compared to previous releases.

2006: $0.85 v 2013: $0.95 - not that far different in exchange rates.

But $550 is reasonable no doubt about it. maybe the market is becoming more global....

[Brockas]

LOL at this:

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[Jaak]

will it be region locked , why not just buy a $399 from the States?

[s1mon]

will it be region locked , why not just buy a $399 from the States?

It'll be 120v like the US version of the PS3 was

[Niksmo]

Damn it PS4. Just made my decision much harder.

[duste]

If your decision between XBox1 and PS4 is still hard after that announcement...you're just an XBox fanboy who doesn't care about the specifics. :p

[HANS YOLO]

am i old or has everyone forgotten? Battlefront 1 & 2 were a long time ago....is this new announcement like a reboot then?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081101163721/starwars/images/f/fe/Battlefront_copy.jpg

[anton]

Damn it PS4. Just made my decision much harder.

PS4 Gets Mad Max No contest....

And Yes New Battlefront Game is kinda like a Reboot , new Game built on Frostbite 3 ( BF4 Engine)

[anton]

Not a Double Post
http://i.imgur.com/mMis7fw.png

[SircatmaN]

I had both a PS3 and Xbox 360, I really had nor eason to use the PS3, graphics were nice but the controller wasn't as good, it was overpriced, online was shit and honestly there was fuck all exclusives.

Roll around e3 2013 and PS4 is my new primary gaming console.

I may get a Xbox One for Killer Instinct and Halo 5 but thats it really.

[flamo_damo]

Well that's interesting, only reason I'll be going back to the Xbox is for Forza

[cactus]

I had both a PS3 and Xbox 360, I really had nor eason to use the PS3, graphics were nice but the controller wasn't as good, it was overpriced, online was shit and honestly there was fuck all exclusives.

Roll around e3 2013 and PS4 is my new primary gaming console.

I may get a Xbox One for Killer Instinct and Halo 5 but thats it really.

Same as you - had both, and my honest opinion of the PS3 is that its a big bucket of shit. Average 'exclusive' games and the sensitivity/accuracy of the controller was very average on a lot of games. XBox 360 shat all over.

Definitely an XBox fan boy, but thats because it has always been the better unit. However, not happy about some features of the new XBox. Still dont know if I would fork out for the PS4 on release given my issues with previous model.

[adrenalin]

Will get both

PS = Gran Turismo
Xbox = Forza / Fable

Most of the time i just get games for PS3 however no problems with either. PS3 did have the option of being a Blu Ray player as well which is why it was slightly better then the xbox.

[TheChad]

Console pricing depends on what extras they chuck in. IIRC the $1000ps3 came with a couple of games and two controllers.

Sure $550-600 sounds like a good price, but what do you get? 1 controller and some power cables? and you'll still probably need your own farkin HDMI cable... but you're going to want 2 or 3 80-$100 games and another $100 controller at a minimum.

I for one, will be giving my pc a slight boost around the time of the console releases and waiting until things calm down before I buy one. Usually after the first year the bugs are evident (eg RROD and YLOD) and the first round of kickarse games that can actually begin to exploit the full potential of the console are available.


What are the graphics and processing specs of the two consoles compared? IIRC early predictions had better hardware in the PS4?

What has nintendo put on the table? anything?

early nintendos were the king
64 was god
gamecube was a joke
wii was great (for its target and involvement)
Wii-U doesnt seem to have much going for it atm
???? what will they do next.

[SircatmaN]

Console pricing depends on what extras they chuck in. IIRC the $1000ps3 came with a couple of games and two controllers.

Sure $550-600 sounds like a good price, but what do you get? 1 controller and some power cables? and you'll still probably need your own farkin HDMI cable... but you're going to want 2 or 3 80-$100 games and another $100 controller at a minimum.

I for one, will be giving my pc a slight boost around the time of the console releases and waiting until things calm down before I buy one. Usually after the first year the bugs are evident (eg RROD and YLOD) and the first round of kickarse games that can actually begin to exploit the full potential of the console are available.


What are the graphics and processing specs of the two consoles compared? IIRC early predictions had better hardware in the PS4?

What has nintendo put on the table? anything?

early nintendos were the king
64 was god
dreamcast was a joke
wii was great (for its target and involvement)
Wii-U doesnt seem to have much going for it atm
???? what will they do next.

Dreamcast was sega.

E3 goes all week so Nintendo haven't been on yet, although since there console is out and its nothing great I don't expect much. I hope they have some awesome 3ds stuff coming though because my DS was awesome and so far there hasnt been MUCH great stuff on 3ds, good but not great.

[redline07]

The original $1000 PS3 came with nothing when they launched, no games or additional controller. Still have mine though, so can't complain.

[TheChad]

sorry, i meant gamecube, i was just thinking about shit consoles haha.

you must live in the cleanest, most temperature controlled house redline. I've had one shit itself (disk drive) and fixed numerous others.

[Jazza]

I've never had a problem with my ps3 which was bought within a year of release. Very impressive imo!

[masTers]

Nintendo will be making their announcements around midnight I think. I wonder what they have up their sleeves.

Dreamcast wasn't that shit actually, just was terribly supported outside of Japan.

[Brockas]

you must live in the cleanest, most temperature controlled house redline. I've had one shit itself (disk drive) and fixed numerous others.
We've had 3 PS3's running consistently in this house for about 4 years now, and never had a single problem with any of them.

[adrenalin]

Same here.

Bought my PS3 from Singapore months before Aus releases and to this day has not skipped a beat. ( Hence a few people might remember from the Gran turismo night at movies why everything is Circle not X for confirm ).

[TheChad]

It's a lucky dip in terms of YLOD. It's not particularly difficult to fix.
The new slimline ones do not have the same problem. But I've fixed four YLOD from the original size, all from different locations and uses.

It also depends on sustained use on warm days and ventillation.


Which brings me back to my original point that I will be waiting a while for the price to fall and any common faults to be identified and hopefully remedies known or applied.
PS3 YLOD has nothing on the old RROD though... RROD was much more frequent. My mates brother fixed it by putting his xbox in a towel and running it upside down for a couple of hours... it actually worked too? for a while.

[ho57ile]

Had my ps3 since launch and the only drama was I had to have my blue ray laser replaced, but was covered under warranty. I think what sony do is they send you out a different console with all your data transferred over then just repair your old console for the next guy. I accidently left my oblivion disk in the console when i sent it away, but about 2 weeks after my console came back i got a letter with my oblivion disk. Customer service ftw!

I rate the 360s online and controller 1000x better then the ps3s, but at the moment its a no contest. PS4 ftw!

Also http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/pahnzt/destiny-e3-2013--ps4-gameplay-reveal HOLY SHIT BALLS, this game looks amazing!

[SircatmaN]

I had an original ps3, it YLOD and I barely used it. My Xbox also RROD and I repaired it several times and eventually last year replaced it with a slim.

Honestly for $500 if the PS4 breaks after 2 or so years I'll just replace it. I've been reading on the net that people were UPSET with the launch prices?

They are like half the price of the last consoles when they launched and the current ones were still like $400 up until recently. People want everything for nothing haha.

[masTers]

Region free; http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/playstation-4-is-region-free

[Liberator]

going to say getting both consoles but from being a xbox fanboy, xbox and the 360 were always first to me , still had ps2 /ps3
Microsoft has just made me spend the money left over from cars this year , on the ps4
Sony please be soft with me iv been hurt before ? :D
also the crew love the concept hopefully they can pull it off

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419146_581219308584897_286241805_n.jpg

[mehow2g]

No fourseven in here? disappointing.

[j3rk]

No fourseven in here? disappointing.

He's gone back to nature, no technology and a Bush skirt. I shit you not.

[evo5aurus]

Also had a PS3 since launch, no problems except for a loud fan so I opened it up, reapplied thermal paste and cleaned out the dust and its much better.

What exactly made the x360 online so much better? Always thought you had to pay to go online with the 360 so never bothered.

[masTers]

Anyone else watching the Nintendo announcement?

[Liberator]

Also had a PS3 since launch, no problems except for a loud fan so I opened it up, reapplied thermal paste and cleaned out the dust and its much better.

What exactly made the x360 online so much better? Always thought you had to pay to go online with the 360 so never bothered.

You do have to pay , but considering most of what you pay for goes into servers / support downloads dlcs and exclusives it made 360 the ultimate online console community's were good and the whole experience to me fealt so much Bette then slow downloads hardly any support the ps3 seemed to offer .

Now though looks like it might be pay for ps4 online which I don't mind if it upkeeps better servers and what not that's all I can say against the ps4 now as long as they fix the sometimes slow Internet and online problems I'm all in :D

[ELUSIV]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but PS4 is region free and can remove hard drive/swap it out. No further details on that but if it uses 2.5" hard drives I can imagine many people are going to yank it out and stick an SSD in. Pending details another couple of wins under the PS4 belt.

[Kaido]

lol!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

[Liberator]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but PS4 is region free and can remove hard drive/swap it out. No further details on that but if it uses 2.5" hard drives I can imagine many people are going to yank it out and stick an SSD in. Pending details another couple of wins under the PS4 belt.
Love the idea of this , but although seems like a win might make a easy gateway for hackers no ?

[masTers]

lol!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

Lol did you read page 1?

[fourseven]

LOL at skirt Reggie.


No fourseven in here? disappointing.

I'm here! I'm actually disappointed that it doesn't look like there'll be a "virtual" shop to trade your games back for some form of currency. Getting off my ass to take the games I don't play anymore to EB is going to suck, especially now that I live in the country.

Truth is my Xbox 360 is always connected to the Internet, I haven't lent or borrowed a video game since I was 13 and I'm still butt hurt that the Playstation network was hacked, more so how it was hacked. Throw in the latency-insensitive computation that features in the Xbox One, and I know what I'll buy. I've had mutiple PS3 consoles before, they just aren't what I prefer.

PS4 online multiplayer will require a Playstation Plus subscription... the only attraction I ever saw with the PS3 was the free online multiplayer. Not anymore! Oh, and the "stick to the Xbox 360 if you want to share games" is brilliant! Enjoy the 9 year olds switching over the PSN to play COD xox

[TheChad]

what are the comparable costs associated with online gaming?

charging people to play online was always my biggest issue with the xbox, I didnt realise they were doing it for the ps now too :(

[TheChad]

both are 8 core, both have 8 gb of ram.

PS has 50% more GPU flops than the xbone and has gddr5 ram, instead of the ddr3 the xbox will use.

Also word is the xbone can only use up to 5gb of its 8gb ram...

Seems like the PS wins outright in terms of available performance and should perform better.

[thrtytwo]

what are the comparable costs associated with online gaming?

charging people to play online was always my biggest issue with the xbox, I didnt realise they were doing it for the ps now too :(

I think PS+ is about $70 for a year, and you get free games and shit every month. Good value.


both are 8 core, both have 8 gb of ram.

PS has 50% more GPU flops than the xbone and has gddr5 ram, instead of the ddr3 the xbox will use.

Also word is the xbone can only use up to 5gb of its 8gb ram...

Seems like the PS wins outright in terms of available performance and should perform better.

Whilst the specs do appear to stack in the PS4's favour, I'm sure there will be little real world difference.

[TheChad]

Whilst the specs do appear to stack in the PS4's favour, I'm sure there will be little real world difference.

I agree, like most things us humble humans wont notice. especially when so many cross platform-ers are ported across both...

But at the end of the day, the PS is offering more for less, which has me wondering exactly what microsoft can do? surely they will have to at the very least price match?

[Brockas]

Truth is my Xbox 360 is always connected to the Internet, I haven't lent or borrowed a video game since I was 13 and I'm still butt hurt that the Playstation network was hacked, more so how it was hacked. Throw in the latency-insensitive computation that features in the Xbox One, and I know what I'll buy.
Good to know your one-eyed approach isn't limited to F1 :)

[fuzzmeisterr]

Ps4 is looking good, except for the shit controllers and lack of Forza =/
gonna be a tough one for me to decide as I don't want to buy both and already have a wii u.

[masTers]

Forza 5 does look beautiful;

http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/e3-2013-forza-motorsport-5-hands-on

[Frenchy]

Put deposit down for both at Jb Hifi today :)
Not understanding why so many are butt hurt over the Xbox needing the net etc. Seems everyone generally connects online when they turn their Xbox or ps3 online for updates etc. Internet is cheap and readily available so there shouldn't be so much of a rage about it IMHO, everything will be going that way soon with tv's etc.

Soo fucking keen on playing some next gen KIller Instinct.... So much coinage wasted on that game back at Starzone @ Whitfords :)

[Fukushima]

Just watching now and read comments on BF4 Multiplayer, you can collapse entire skyscrapers? Holy shit.

Watching those guys go up the elevator and with the music playing was awesome.

That Commander with tablet capabilities is unreal. I love how you can control shit like that. Seriously, if you're not playing this game when it comes out, there something wrong with you.

rach of the battlefield games has cost me 200-300 hours in online play

bf4 will probably kick that up a notch

[TheChad]

http://www.target.com/p/ps3-pro-elite-wireless-controller-playstation-3/-/A-13217769?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C13217769&CPNG=Electronics&kpid=13217769&ci_gpa=pla&ci_sku=13217769

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/finally-a-ps3-controller-shaped-like-the-360-controller.184701473/

etc etc


sure it's not legit products, but that solves one problem for some of you when they make the ps4 ones

[Niva]

which has me wondering exactly what microsoft can do? surely they will have to at the very least price match?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/jhoskisson/forza_zps66b55a9c.jpg

[evo5aurus]

Love the idea of this , but although seems like a win might make a easy gateway for hackers no ?

No. PS3 uses a removable/swappable 2.5" HDD and that was not the vulnerability that led to the console being hacked.

honestly with everything being so online orientated these days hacking a console is not as attractive as it was in the mod chip days. Very few games these days have decent local multiplayer and the single player aspects are seriously compromised without the ability to go online. If it wasn't for showtime I would definitely regret hacking my PS3.

[SircatmaN]

My mind boggles how anyone could consider buying an X1 from what we have seen so far. I know people say "Oh yeh its early things will change blah blah blah" but you cant know that, you are buying judging on what you see and I have no idea how anyone could consider it a better deal in any way?
I mean I'm all for buying multiple consoles, I normally do but the ONLY thing the X1 has in its favor is Killer Instinct and Forza. Thats it. What else does it have?
The X1 is a travesty to gaming and that is coming from one of the Xbox360s biggest supporters, I fucking lines up and got mine the night it was launched, I got all my friends into playing GOW and Halo 3 and convinced them to buy it but on the facts it is a fucking awful mess that kicks gamers in the fucking balls to make themselves a bit richer.

DLC has been the first step. Remember when maps used to be free? Companies released them as a thank you to the gamers that supported their game and to breathe new life into them. Usually they would make shitloads of maps and others would make awesome mods to improve the game.
Now they slog you $30 for 4 maps.
Fair enough you think, there has been some decent DLC that was worth a bit of coin in your eyes.
Well now Microsoft want to tell you that not only should you pay for the right to play a handful of maps, you should pay for the right to trade a game you own, pay for the right to sell it and even though you are paying all this extra, they still don't trust or support you enough to let you play the console offline. I worked away and still do occasionally and single player offline games are what got me through weeks at a time on swing.

Fuck you Microsoft you stingey pingpingpingpings. I supported you for years and you fuck me in the ass with this fucking abortion.

[anton]

http://i.imgur.com/8OqHmQ0.jpg

[Niva]

good point

[TheChad]

there is no way they will let this lie, they have been caught out massively by sony. I'd say there have been a few firings and several things taken back to the drawing board.

So much hate on the game checking that I seriously doubt, with this much flak, they will leave it as it is.


So many cool games coming out.
Last of us has had me at half mast since I saw the clips last year from E3... and gta5... my PS hasn't been started for months, will do serious updates on the last day of exams to prepare for the last of us.

[mehow2g]

My mind boggles how anyone could consider buying an X1 from what we have seen so far. I know people say "Oh yeh its early things will change blah blah blah" but you cant know that, you are buying judging on what you see and I have no idea how anyone could consider it a better deal in any way?
I mean I'm all for buying multiple consoles, I normally do but the ONLY thing the X1 has in its favor is Killer Instinct and Forza. Thats it. What else does it have?
The X1 is a travesty to gaming and that is coming from one of the Xbox360s biggest supporters, I fucking lines up and got mine the night it was launched, I got all my friends into playing GOW and Halo 3 and convinced them to buy it but on the facts it is a fucking awful mess that kicks gamers in the fucking balls to make themselves a bit richer.

DLC has been the first step. Remember when maps used to be free? Companies released them as a thank you to the gamers that supported their game and to breathe new life into them. Usually they would make shitloads of maps and others would make awesome mods to improve the game.
Now they slog you $30 for 4 maps.
Fair enough you think, there has been some decent DLC that was worth a bit of coin in your eyes.
Well now Microsoft want to tell you that not only should you pay for the right to play a handful of maps, you should pay for the right to trade a game you own, pay for the right to sell it and even though you are paying all this extra, they still don't trust or support you enough to let you play the console offline. I worked away and still do occasionally and single player offline games are what got me through weeks at a time on swing.

Fuck you Microsoft you stingey pingpingpingpings. I supported you for years and you fuck me in the ass with this fucking abortion.

You forgot the mention Kinect is always on and ready to go mix that with Always on net and oh dear, how is that even legal? Germany have said they wont be selling it due to breaching privacy.

OH yeah you cannot buy it without Kinect and cannot run the thing without having it on.

OH YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!!...

[anton]

first impressions matter, even if they change it to be the same as sony , who will trust them not to change it back 6 months after launch

[anton]

LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71H69yDZ6W4

[thrtytwo]

I dunno why people dont kike the ps4 controller. I never had a problem with dualshock shape before and the new one looks more ergonomic to me!

[Jazza]

I love the PS controller. So much better than Xbox shit!

[adrenalin]

Have they announced what the launch titles for both consoles will be.

[adrenalin]

Antilag group buy on PS4's ?

[anton]

sony's got some epic markup for PS4 in AU only $50 difference

[redline07]

At almost half the price of the PS3, I see no reason to complain either way.

[evo5aurus]

sony's got some epic markup for PS4 in AU only $50 difference

we do earn a shitload more than Americans...

[thrtytwo]

At almost half the price of the PS3, I see no reason to complain either way.

'zactly.

it may not be as good a conversion, but its still cheaper than the Xbox, and probably has slightly better specs (going off DDR5 vs. DDR3 [and all other specs being close on identical so far]) And also taking into consideration we payed $1000 for PS3 at launch (and not far from $549 not too long ago), I think its a pretty good price!

edit:

Didn't see this posted in here yet, fucking BONER (must watch in 1080p)

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EWJD8DMasCU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

between the Division and Destiny, I'm definitely looking forward to MMO FPS

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-2fI0A7NoM0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Frenchy]

The division looks fucking mint!! Will be divorced after a week of that for sure

[masTers]

All 3 members of UK Top Gear are confirmed to appear in Forza 5. No specifics on their roles yet.

[evo5aurus]

And also taking into consideration we payed $1000 for PS3 at launch (and not far from $549 not too long ago), I think its a pretty good price!



you can't really compare it to the PS3 launch price.. the PS3 was 2 steps ahead of its time. seriously cutting edge tech when it came out. the PS4 is current, or even yesterdays, tech pulled straight from a PC. I can guarantee Sony will turn a profit on the sale of each PS4 whereas they a copped a significant loss on each launch PS3.

[thrtytwo]

you can't really compare it to the PS3 launch price.. the PS3 was 2 steps ahead of its time. seriously cutting edge tech when it came out. the PS4 is current, or even yesterdays, tech pulled straight from a PC. I can guarantee Sony will turn a profit on the sale of each PS4 whereas they a copped a significant loss on each launch PS3.

the comparison I was making wasn't how much it costs them to make it, it was how much consumers are willing to pay.

[fourseven]

you can't really compare it to the PS3 launch price.. the PS3 was 2 steps ahead of its time. seriously cutting edge tech when it came out. the PS4 is current, or even yesterdays, tech pulled straight from a PC. I can guarantee Sony will turn a profit on the sale of each PS4 whereas they a copped a significant loss on each launch PS3.

It's impossible for a company to launch a new product and turn a profit immediately. It just doesn't exist in reality.

It took 4 years for the PS3 to turn a profit, 3 years for the Xbox 360. Sony themselves have said it will take a while, they are simply hoping to shorten the length from 4 years. Both companies will lose money for a while. It's the nature of business!

[TheChad]

it may not be as good a conversion, but its still cheaper than the Xbox, and probably has slightly better specs (going off DDR5 vs. DDR3 [and all other specs being close on identical so far]) And also taking into consideration we payed $1000 for PS3 at launch (and not far from $549 not too long ago), I think its a pretty good price!


Its the utilisation of the ram that will let the Xbone down there.

Also the computational power of the graphics card of the PS being over half again as large as the xbox is nothing to be baulked at. That's a fuck load of difference, when you are talking about graphics processing speed.

[Niva]

Lets not forget how much more advanced hardware wise the ps3 is compared to the 360. still cant name a game that we missed out on because of it, or even a game that is noticeably lacking in the graphics department.

[fourseven]

or even a game that is noticeably lacking in the graphics department.

I can.

Arkham Asylum
MW2
Fallout 3
Assassins Creed
Crisis 2

There are more out there. Google it.

The PS3 has better hardware, the Xbox utilises their lesser hardware better. The Xbox 360 shares its entire memory block between it's CPU and GPU, dynamically. The PS3 splits it in half, locking in 50/50 to the CPU and GPU. Newer games are starting to look identical because of better development. A good example why I won't play into the specs game.

For every console Microsoft builds, it will provision the CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox One consoles in the cloud. This allows developers to assume that there's roughly three times the resources immediately available to their game.

[Jazza]

So you must love the fact that the ps4 was developed with several game designers then, can't beat that for use of hardware/software if they had input into it :D

[thrtytwo]

The problem with the ps3, bith cost and game development wise, was that the cell processor was built in house, totally custom architecture.

Now that both consoles are using the same type of chips, developers wont have any problem utilizing the ps4 to the same extent as the xbox hardware

[n1ghth4wk]

The price was the main thing that put me off the PS3, but it looks like I'll be going from PS1>PS2>360>PS4 if no changes are made (or some more xbox only games get released). Backwards compatibility doesn't phase me as after 2 months playing a new console, all the previous generation graphics begin to +look like shit and I can't stand playing them.

[anton]

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[evo5aurus]

It's impossible for a company to launch a new product and turn a profit immediately. It just doesn't exist in reality.

It took 4 years for the PS3 to turn a profit, 3 years for the Xbox 360. Sony themselves have said it will take a while, they are simply hoping to shorten the length from 4 years. Both companies will lose money for a while. It's the nature of business!

I'm fairly sure that they will turn profit on the hardware alone, you can't believe that sony is paying over $400 for the hardware in a PS4. what will take time is recouping the cost of R&D and advertising.

the hardware of the PS3 itself cost several hundred more than the sale price, Sony relied on game and accessory sales to cover the loss.



For every console Microsoft builds, it will provision the CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox One consoles in the cloud. This allows developers to assume that there's roughly three times the resources immediately available to their game.

I can't see how this could be true. How can the cloud actually render scenes? the bandwidth requirements would be astronomical and with the state of internet in Australia it doesn't seem possible.

It's a nice idea but only time will tell if it pans out...

[volt_bite]

Its unlikely to recover your costs in the first year. I would definitely say over a few years, if we are looking at console sales alone.

But you know, they would have effectively funded the ps4 development on top of the ps3 profits.

Games have taught me well:

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[Frenchy]

Games have taught me well:



Haha damn that game... i could never get a #1 seller

[benjamino]

Just watched The Division Gameplay for a second time, so many little things I missed not watching it on 1080p, scanning victims, map updates, skills, so much depth and detail! Loved the bullets passing through the cars in the firefight out the front. I'm stuck between Battlefield 4 and this!

[adrenalin]

You know you will end up buying both.

[SircatmaN]

You know you will end up buying both.

Thats a big negative, Microsoft have lost me completely, and if you support their bullshit anti-gamer strategy by buying their console then you are killing gaming, it will only be a matter of time until we are paying $20 a month on top of purchase price and ontop of xbox live as a "subscription fee" to play a game and then have to pay DLC price for each chapter.
I've been a gamer my whole life and I can't support this bullshit for a new Halo and a remake of Killer instinct, its just not on.

[Brockas]

^^ I think he was talking about The Division and Battlefield 4...

[SircatmaN]

^^ I think he was talking about The Division and Battlefield 4...

:|

I will be buying both.











on PS4.

[Gr3mlin]

I'm buying both consoles






u mad?

[RMCprime]

The xbox has some cool media stuff but...Meh on both accounts. Ill stick with PC

[SircatmaN]

I'm buying both consoles






u mad?


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[YOUR MATE]

Buy both games. Both consoles. Fuck practicality. Biggest troll move using the XBOX One's HDMI pass through to play my PS4 trollolololo!

But for srs I'll get both consoles and probably have one in theatre one in living room and use both mainly for media streaming.

People should get The Division on XBOX though so I have more ppl to play with. ;)

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[anton]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

[YOUR MATE]

For the haters



One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a feature many asked for when the feature was added to 360, but it was only to allow the game to run better.

Contrary to popular believe, the used game does exist in the X1.

"Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

What can we take away from this? Easy. If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions. If you bought a digital copy, just like any digital copy, you will not be able to do this.

As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.

This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.

The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.

This is one of the biggest things people have been complaining about. Microsoft has already addressed the issue, but of course it fell on deaf ears. People already had their pitch forks out and had Sony on a pedestal by this point.

"You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."

As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.


Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere (in the same region, I'm assuming..still not clear about this) at anytime (as long as you or someone else in your circle isn't playing it). This is of course how things work now, two of your friends can't play the game at the same time from one disc on two separate consoles.

This is a feature that is absolutely wonderful, but the people raging about it had not heard about it before.

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

Important Update: New information has risen relating to this feature. You +1 friend from your circle can play the same game at the same time. Others can still play from your other library selection.

[Tones]

That feature of sharing games is awesome. Almost restored my faith in the xbox. Will be holding off on any pre order for a little while yet

[Liberator]

incase anyone didnt see this the WHOLE! list of trailers at E3 two pages 91 trailers

http://www.ign.com/blogs/jayfin9/2013/06/13/every-e3-trailer-part-1

[Sciflyer]

For the haters

We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.
If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales


cliffs: we will determine whether you can sell/trade your games and even if we let you, we will lock-up the market so you get sfa for them

you'd be stupid not to be a hater...

[TheChad]

The division looks fucking sick.
Looks like ghost recon meets DayZ.

DayZ was revolutionary, had a great feel to it, the wildness and craziness that comes from NPCs mixed with other people.
I'm pleased to see how these new games are advancing with online play, the next generations of games are going to be ridiculous. The jumps that seem to happen every year or two now are crazy. getting exponentially better.

Graphics are kind of topping out now, they still get better every generation but the jumps aren't as noticeable as they were 10 years ago, so now they are just continually expanding games making bigger maps etc.


So far the games I am excited for
GTA5
Last of Us (will buy on the day of my last exam)
The division
BF4

we are really spoilt for choice though.

[YOUR MATE]

cliffs: we will determine whether you can sell/trade your games and even if we let you, we will lock-up the market so you get sfa for them

you'd be stupid not to be a hater...

How many games do you trade at the moment? I am mostly a PC gamer. So for me, none. I don't remember the last time I bought a game on a disc. It would of been an XBOX game. And I keep those as they really are not worth trading. Never know when I'm going to want to go back and play something.
So the way it will work is retailers will need to ask MS to be able to sell used games. This happens by the retailer agreeing to pay the publisher a fee and taking nothing for themselves. Yes it is more involved on their part than it is now and means less money in the retailers pockets, which they will most likely in turn pass on to you. Meaning you might get $18 instead of $20 for your month old AAA title they previously stung you $90 for (that can be gotten from UK for 2/3 the price and you cannot trade at all). So it might drive retailers not to bother dealing in used games for XBOX. That is the retailers fault, in Microsofts eyes, and I can see the reasoning.

Look at it factually and two people in the same friends group (of up to 10 friends) can play the same game that only one person purchased at the same time. No disc required. This can only happen if it can check online to make sure that too many people aren't playing it. So because the XBOX is accessing the internet connection you much more than likely already had going to it you can now play a game for free just because your friend bought it.

End of the world, right?

[Niva]

will also be buying both.





Versions of the xbox

[MGR]

Absolutely unbelievable how badly Microsoft has handled the Xbox One reveal thus far. Complete clusterfuck on almost every level.

DRM does nothing but irritate 'connected' consumers and in some cases makes the prospect of owning an Xbone impossible. There's supposedly a game sharing feature but nobody at Microsoft seems to know exactly how it works. I'd suggest it's probably full of restrictions too, otherwise they'd be shouting it from the rooftops to at least attempt to counter all the negative DRM discussion.

How nice that MS "designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers."

Actually, every fucking console up until the Xbone was designed so people could trade in their games anywhere they damn well liked. No MS, what you've actually done is design a console where publishers can control and revoke your ability to resell your games at their discretion.

Why the hell can't you upgrade the hard drive? It's a standard 2.5" SATA drive FFS! Force everybody to install every game to the hard drive, then give them now way to upgrade when it's full.

I see they're also taking a leaf out of Nintendo's book this time and not officially releasing any hardware specifications. Probably a good thing to, seeing as the PS4 slaps it around in that department.

B-b-but... the infinate power of teh cloud!?
Fuck-ing-LOL!!!


MS: As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.

Consumer: So I can just unplug it then, right?

MS: No. (http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904)

They did a couple of things right though, like completely ignore Kinect in the conference and demo'd some decent games. Too bad most of those AAA titles are multiplatform and will look better on the PS4. Great to see Forza as a launch title - much better than Sony's launch driving game "Drive Club". Although it's going to suffer from releasing early. Even with new tech, still no dynamic weather or time of day. And if you think you can use your Xbox 360 steering wheel (including the Forza Branded Fanatec wheel (http://eu.fanatec.com/Forza%20Motorsport%20CSR%20Wheel%20EU)) then TOO BAD MOTHERFUCKER!! You'll be buying all new peripherals at this rate.

PS4 conference showed some good games too. Not as strong at the Xbox conference IMO, but most AAA games shown there were multi-platform. The only fundamental change was you now need to be a PS+ member to play online with PS4. Some not happy about it, but the feature set, costs and consumer expectations of online services are astronomically higher than what was offered back in 2006 so it's no surprise they're trying need to re-coup costs. Crowd lost there shit when they announce no online DRM and used games game support. Really dug and twisted the knife into Microsoft during that segment then gave them a final kick in the nuts with the $399 price point.

If you're a keen gamer you'll probably still buy both, but if you're a one-console household you've REALLY got to like the Halos and Forzas (or be a monumental Xbox fanboy) to buy an Xbox One over the PS4. Riddled with DRM issues, less powerful, more expensive.

[Chivalry]

All I want is GTA5 on PC, right now, fuck everything else.

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[urabus]

Maybe the world is changing but i currently have a wii, xbox and ps3. I have a mobile wifi thingo from work but i only get 4 gig a month so i can download the updates but really cant be bothered playing online.

I would of thought i was a pretty common scenario. I dont have a phone line at home as we both have work spplied mobiles so absolutely no need to spend $$ on something we dont use.

If i have to be online to play forza i wont be buying a xbone. Plain and simple.

Brendon

[MGR]

If i have to be online to play forza i wont be buying a xbone. Plain and simple.

From what I understand you'll only need a network connection to download OS updates, game updates, connect to Microsoft's DRM servers for it's 24 hour check-in. Forza will also need to connect on boot up to synchronise game data.

After that, you can play it offline until you restart the game or 24 hours passes.

[Niva]

seriously not getting the issue with the console being online at all times? how often do you play on your pc with it offline?

[mehow2g]

seriously not getting the issue with the console being online at all times? how often do you play on your pc with it offline?

its more of the fact that you mix it with the console coming with kinect and you cannot use it without kinect pair that up with always on and just wonder why...

[anton]

seriously not getting the issue with the console being online at all times? how often do you play on your pc with it offline?

If i want a PC ill use a PC? i mean seriously its a console whats the point of it if i cant pack it up take it to a beach house down in Preston or something where there is no phone or internet and have it for use while im there.. but remember a PC will Work and play games without an internet connection but a Xbox1 wont even work? what happens if your phone line goes down you cant even use the Xbox1 to watch TV?

[Niva]

Can you honestly see them releasing it without something in place for these and other type situations? not a chance

[anton]

So they put in a 24hour DRM that requires you to have the console connected to the the internet every 24 hours but put in a system that negates that?

[Niva]

I will put my 360 on the fact that they do a clever back pedal before release

edit: dont think tv was ever an issue? and just read then that the check ins will be tiny, everyone's phone is capable of tethering and there is always someone in the group with telstra :D

[thrtytwo]

Can you honestly see them releasing it without something in place for these and other type situations? not a chance

Yes and yes. That's exactly what they're doing. There will be no back pedal.

They already stated, if you dont have internet, buy a 360.

[MGR]

I will put my 360 on the fact that they do a clever back pedal before release

They're not going to flush years of planning and engineering down the toilet. Their entire DRM system relies on this online authentication and it's waaaaaaayyyy too late to back out now. They'll plow on ahead as best they can for the time being and see how things pan out over the next couple of years.

Rumors are that their more complex SoC design with esRAM is having significant yield issues too. Which may also explain why there was only a couple of games running on Xbox One hardware at E3. The rest using 'target' PC dev environments (and some using much higher spec Nvidia GTX cards). Conversely all PS4 games were running on PS4 hardware.

[YOUR MATE]

Yes, yes. We get it. You like Playstation. ;)

[Fozzy]

Preordered PS4 today.. CAN NOT WAIT for The Division

[MGR]

Yes, yes. We get it. You like Playstation. ;)

It's true, I like games.

Enjoy TV and NFL fantasy league through your DRM riddled, slower, region locked, more expensive black box. ;)

[INSINR8R]

You're getting a bit carried away with this now.

Buying Xbone, don't care. I'll most likely end up getting both.

Have gaming PC, will always be my true love.

[YOUR MATE]

Not buying it for anything TV related. Buying it for Forza and because I don't think I'll ever turn off my NBN connection :) I'd come back and say enjoy your PS4 for some reason but really until a GT game is announced for it, I don't really think there is anything worth playing on it that won't also be available on XBOX. Take away the always online argument as it honestly doesn't matter to me. What arguments are there for not buying it?

Kinect: Turn it off
DRM: I don't sell games
Slower: Fanboi.

Other than racing games, gaming should be on PC anyway. Aim assist is for jerks. xoxo See you on GT6 :P

[mehow2g]

Not buying it for anything TV related. Buying it for Forza and because I don't think I'll ever turn off my NBN connection :) I'd come back and say enjoy your PS4 for some reason but really until a GT game is announced for it, I don't really think there is anything worth playing on it that won't also be available on XBOX. Take away the always online argument as it honestly doesn't matter to me. What arguments are there for not buying it?

Kinect: Turn it off
DRM: I don't sell games
Slower: Fanboi.

Other than racing games, gaming should be on PC anyway. Aim assist is for jerks. xoxo See you on GT6 :P

you cant turn Kinect off..

[YOUR MATE]

you cant turn Kinect off..

Yes. You can. You can't unplug it but you can turn it off. Everything about it. Even the phrases used to wake it from sleep. You have entire control over what it see's and hears and when. Read some previous posts in here.

[mehow2g]

Yes. You can. You can't unplug it but you can turn it off. Everything about it. Even the phrases used to wake it from sleep. You have entire control over what it see's and hears and when. Read some previous posts in here.

hmm ok, they must of changed since first announcement.

I was under the impression it was ready anytime waiting for a commend to turn it on by voice, still doesnt make sense why you cannot buy the console without it.

Good news.

[volt_bite]

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[SircatmaN]

Not buying it for anything TV related. Buying it for Forza and because I don't think I'll ever turn off my NBN connection :) I'd come back and say enjoy your PS4 for some reason but really until a GT game is announced for it, I don't really think there is anything worth playing on it that won't also be available on XBOX. Take away the always online argument as it honestly doesn't matter to me. What arguments are there for not buying it?

Kinect: Turn it off
DRM: I don't sell games
Slower: Fanboi.

Other than racing games, gaming should be on PC anyway. Aim assist is for jerks. xoxo See you on GT6 :P

DRM is gaming cancer, if you support it by buying products where it is used your damaging the industry. The exact same reason I didn't buy, and still haven't bought Sim City 5. As for selling games, just because you don't sell games is a stupid reason to throw away your legal rights of ownership.

[YOUR MATE]

I don't get it. Tell me what I'm losing here? I still own them. Because i can't give them to someone else to play for free is the issue? So you're upset that they are releasing a console that people can't play games they don't own on? As I've said, PC gamers have had that for years. It's nothing new. Steam doesn't let your friends play your games. Do you just boycott anything not sold in a disc form? I get that having an always online connection can be shit for some but it isn't for me and 99% of people I know, so no big deal imo. Also the vast majority of games I play are multiplayer anyway so being online is part of it But given that this Xbox friends network lets you and one other play the same game at once from a single purchase, even online in the same game, it means effectively games are half price if you and said friend go halves. How is that bad?
Honestly. Tell me the down side.

[Tones]

I get that having an always online connection can be shit for some but it isn't for me and 99% of people I know, so no big deal imo. Also the vast majority of games I play are multiplayer anyway so being online is part of it But given that this Xbox friends network lets you and one other play the same game at once from a single purchase, even online in the same game, it means effectively games are half price if you and said friend go halves. How is that bad?
Honestly. Tell me the down side.

This is the way I look at it. Being a cod and battlefield fan boy the xbox has more appeal to me.

[duste]

I don't get it. Tell me what I'm losing here? I still own them. Because i can't give them to someone else to play for free is the issue? So you're upset that they are releasing a console that people can't play games they don't own on? As I've said, PC gamers have had that for years. It's nothing new. Steam doesn't let your friends play your games. Do you just boycott anything not sold in a disc form? I get that having an always online connection can be shit for some but it isn't for me and 99% of people I know, so no big deal imo. Also the vast majority of games I play are multiplayer anyway so being online is part of it But given that this Xbox friends network lets you and one other play the same game at once from a single purchase, even online in the same game, it means effectively games are half price if you and said friend go halves. How is that bad?
Honestly. Tell me the down side.

You don't own them, and that's why you can't sell them - sure, you've paid for them, but you're sorely mistaken if you think you actually "own" them, or anything related to DRM.

Me, personally? I've never traded a game in my life, however thinking selflessly for a second here: it's more so young kids and families that would be losing out - I daresay they're the largest demographic amongst "game traders", and they're also the ones that usually have less money to blow on games than the rest of us, hence opting to trade games instead of buying new. It's quite selfish to think "meh, doesn't affect me, why not do it?" imo.

[adrenalin]

End of the day who fucking cares.

Buy what you want. If it pisses you off that much buy a Ps4.

Thats something people who aren't as fortunate will have to decide for themselves.

[TheChad]

There is so much shit being flung at the xbone on the Internet now. I was a bit younger when the ps3 came out. But the ps3 was even more stacked over the 360 than the current generation. And I don't remember such an out pouring... is it just the more recent meme culture that is making such a ruckas?

People will clearly buy it anyway.

[Gr3mlin]

I don't seriously give a fuck

I have bigger problems in my life then not being able to trade in my games.

[fourseven]

Steam do it. It's fine. Microsoft do it, everyone else criticises.

Entitlement. That's the problem with people today. pingpingpingpings think they pay $80 for a game and can do whatever they want with it. Just because you don't share that game around and rip developers off, doesn't mean 70 million other people don't.

Hating an industry for playing the numbers. Yep, that's intelligent. Not.

[Jaak]

I am also one of the the many that is against the xb-one going full-time online , it follows the same principle as DRM games , you would not own the console, it like foxtel you might as well pay a monthly subscription and they have the power. But to be fair I am a paranoid fuck that thinks google is taking over the world, apple is run by the government and nothing good will ever come from windows 8.

I will buy it anyway because its shine and new!

[anton]

Steam do it. It's fine. Microsoft do it, everyone else criticises.

Entitlement. That's the problem with people today. pingpingpingpings think they pay $80 for a game and can do whatever they want with it. Just because you don't share that game around and rip developers off, doesn't mean 70 million other people don't.

Hating an industry for playing the numbers. Yep, that's intelligent. Not.

I didnt know steam mailed me out physical copies...

[fourseven]

No they don't. Doesn't that make it worse? :)

[Jazza]

I fucking hate Steam. I even got banned from it for awhile as I was using a mates game with another serial number hahaha

[MGR]

Steam do it. It's fine. Microsoft do it, everyone else criticises.

Personally I would've like to have seen Microsoft follow the steam model, with the added option to distribute games on disc as well. Kill the second hand game market altogether. Just means the current share of profit currently filling retailer pockets moves to the publisher. Puts more cash directly back into games development or allows more aggressive pricing for new games. Steam pricing and sales are much more aggressive than that offered by the console manufacturers.

[evo5aurus]

Steam do it. It's fine. Microsoft do it, everyone else criticises.


Steam does not require any form of Internet check in...

[YOUR MATE]

Some games do though. Diablo 3? To play single player you have to sign in. Where was this whinging then? Either way I think it's run it's course. buy it or not, no care. If you do I'll see you on Forza. :)

[anton]

Some games do though. Diablo 3? To play single player you have to sign in. Where was this whinging then? Either way I think it's run it's course. buy it or not, no care. If you do I'll see you on Forza. :)

I refused to buy the game because of it... but it ultimately contributed to that games downfall

[thrtytwo]

There was heaps of complaining at the time. As there was with sim city. Sim city used the excuse that it ned cloud computing to process the trillions of calculations required to run such a complex game. Hackers got it to run offline just fine, no surprise. Also, was it assassins creed? That required always online when playing single player? Then ubisoft servers were attacked and people couldn't play their single player game.

While these kind of things probably wont ever be a problem for the xbone, thats not the point. It's the principal, the control it gives them over you. The fact that they could go out of business, be hacked or any number of things, and physical games which you have bought wont work. Again, that's all highly unlikely, but to ignore that is just the same as to agree with it. And to agree with that kind of thing, to me, seems pretty small minded.

Might seem like a wanky overreaction, but at the end of the day consumers steer the direction of where products will go in the future. And these kind of things set a precedent for products and services to become more invasive and less able to operate as standalone products.

[Niksmo]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/j2PCYms7jNM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> This guy.

[SircatmaN]

Some games do though. Diablo 3? To play single player you have to sign in. Where was this whinging then? Either way I think it's run it's course. buy it or not, no care. If you do I'll see you on Forza. :)

Everyone whinged about that. Infact a lot of people didn't buy the game because of it. Most went back to Diablo 2. which was overall a better game anyway.

I only buy from steam when the games are under $30, if Microsoft released games at $30 or under I wouldn't care, but when I am paying $100+ for a game I want the ability to trade it back in towards other grossly overpriced games, or to swap with a friend. If the game is really that good and has high replayability and a good online mode then everyone will buy it. If it was a hit rushed game with no replayability then people will swap and the companies that made that game will learn that churning out subpar quality does not pay.
For the same reason I like to be able to return a game. I bought Metal Gear Rising for about $89, I completed the game in 3 fucking hours. I returned it the same day because yeh it was fun but you had 3 hours of fun on hard difficulty and THAT WAS IT nothing else to do, where is the value?
Thanks to Microsoft trying to take your rights of ownership you can't return the games, and returning shit games is a way of telling companies that have produced shit that we wont accept it, put some effort in.
There are so many factors to it that I can't believe you guys can just sit there and go "Well Steam did it so its ok, I don't even sell my games". I traded in my 360 collection and made $400 (50 games) now that might not be much but thats a fucking ps4 almost right there. When you guys go to trade in your games after years of spending big dollars you will have: nothing. Nothing at all.

You can sit back and say you don't care, which is entirely fine, but you can't honestly say its not a bad thing.

Fuck DRM and fuck those who are trying to push it. If you want good quality games you need to be able to speak with your money.

[ho57ile]

Without sounding like too much of a fanboy (I do own a 360 and ps3) I just don't see why anyone wants an xbone? I'd love to love it and have two awesome consoles in my room again but microsoft have dropped the ball so hard with this drm/online/kinect bullshit. Did they not take any lessons from diablo/simcity?

[volt_bite]

Alternatively, make it a lot cheaper and do away with second hand rights.

[Niksmo]

It's not a bad thing.

[YOUR MATE]

Am I missing the part where MS has renounced the fact that you CAN trade games back in at retailers? So you can't sell games on Gumtree anymore. That could suck if you were selling your console and everything you have with it. But really you could still do exactly that by selling your account with all it's rights with it. Of course it isn't as good as it is with current gen but at the same time it's not world endingly bad either. But last I read MS said you can sell and trade games at "selected" retailers. That will be Gamestop, surely, which is EB here. Just to confirm I am not saying I am happy with the decision or think it is a wise move. But the way I see it is now myself and a mate can buy games together, pay half each and both have access to it. And whenever we aren't playing it another one of 9 friends can. People mention sharing games with a friend? That's exactly what this is. Only without them needing a disc. Yes they have to download it. Yes they'd need an internet connection. This obviously won't suit all but can anyone saying how MS has ruined the world honestly say they don't have a download cap over a few gig a month and access to the net for the console?

I'm not being a fanboi here I'm being realistic. Most my friends play XBOX. If this friends system is as they say, it will pay for itself. The DRM, while clearly not as good as having none, is a non issue for me and pretty much anyone I'd play with.

And I can't help but laugh at comments like boycotting a game because it want's you to be online. Really. Unless you turn your router off every time you play a single player game, what the fuck does it matter? In making a stand you are missing out on the game. Diablo 3 was great fun. I still play it. Never have trouble finding games either, heaps of people play it. Simcity could run offline, yeah. But the game was designed to have other players in the world around you and you interact with their cities. It is a better experience that way in the eyes of the developer. Why anyone would argue that I have no idea. Long story short any time you buy a game with a CD key you can't sell it. After about 15 years of doing that I honestly give no fucks. It has been the norm for years and years. Now it's just needing an internet connection for a brief moment to authenticate the games, that you are letting 9 other play for free, is still yours and hasn't been sold on (with a sum going to the developer). Oh noes.

[INSINR8R]

Ahem

http://games.on.net/2013/06/steam-beta-reveals-hints-of-upcoming-game-borrowing-system/

Yep.

Also want to point out that if you have Steam and want to play any game on there that is single player, you need to be connected to the internet to be logged into Steam to play the game. Plenty of single player games on Steam. Has been that way since 2002.

So really, what difference does it make?

[YOUR MATE]

To be fair you can log in in offline mode on Steam for some games.

[anton]

Ahem

http://games.on.net/2013/06/steam-beta-reveals-hints-of-upcoming-game-borrowing-system/

Yep.

Also want to point out that if you have Steam and want to play any game on there that is single player, you need to be connected to the internet to be logged into Steam to play the game. Plenty of single player games on Steam. Has been that way since 2002.

So really, what difference does it make?

Digital Copies vs Physical Copy thats the difference for me

with a Digital Download the only proof that the game is mine is some online authentication if they didnt have that you could just download the game and then copy it to every computer you wanted to and play it or even just make a torrent and give millions of people the game for free

with a physical copy , i went into a store and paid them money - while you can copy games I'm sure they have some sort of on disc DRM to verify its an original game disc but basically the proof that i own it is the physical copy no online authentication should be necessary. even if you borrow a disc or buy it secondhand, somewhere someone had to purchase it from a store.

[Brockas]

So steam is shit.

XB1 is shit.

PS4 has no drawbacks.



I know which one I'll be buying.

[evo5aurus]

Ahem

http://games.on.net/2013/06/steam-beta-reveals-hints-of-upcoming-game-borrowing-system/

Yep.

Also want to point out that if you have Steam and want to play any game on there that is single player, you need to be connected to the internet to be logged into Steam to play the game. Plenty of single player games on Steam. Has been that way since 2002.

So really, what difference does it make?

not sure what steam you use but that couldn't be more wrong...

any game can be launched via steam offline, however some games require you to connect to their own (the publishers) servers so still wont work but that isn't a problem with steam.


So steam is shit.

XB1 is shit.

PS4 has no drawbacks.



I know which one I'll be buying.

^ This.
Although the way sony handled the PS3 is definitely a potential drawback. IE the backflip with linux, promised backwards compatibility that was binned almost immediately and a whole bunch of other promises/claims that were either cancelled or just never existed.

hopefully they actually learnt from the PS3 and sort their shit out.

[INSINR8R]

not sure what steam you use but that couldn't be more wrong...

any game can be launched via steam offline, however some games require you to connect to their own (the publishers) servers so still wont work but that isn't a problem with steam.

LOL. There are several games that can't be launched in offline mode.

[YOUR MATE]

Steam is great. Anyone into PC gaming or gaming in general should appreciate it. Their sales are typically unbeatable but at the same time if you choose to buy a game from another retailer they will support it if it's one of the games they sell. Realising that some people are console gamers they made a mode to make it easy to navigate and play games on your PC using a big screen and a controller. Games are kept up to date automatically and there is almost no downtime. They also don't let publishers boss them around and don't take shit. There is a reason most the big games launch on there or have in the past and now copy their service, but at a much lesser quality ala Origin or Uplay.
Name me another system where you can see a game you like, purchase a CD key from another country for half the price of local and then enjoy the same product and service no questions asked. And now following Microsoft they are going to be allowing your friends to play your game when you aren't playing it. Just the same as you'd share a physical copy only it's instant, and when you want it back it's yours without having to chase them down for it. Brilliant.

Steam ftw. I really don't get why people don't embrace the online part of gaming as much as others.

[anton]

My only problem is if i have the disc i shouldn't have to go online to verify that i own the game, even if its installed to the HDD stick the disc in and the game verifies that an original game-disc is in the drive and it loads

[Tones]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Placing my pre order now for xbone.

[INSINR8R]

Yeah was just about to post this. Although they got rid of the whole 10 person sharing thing, this is what everyone wanted and they've listened.

Game over PS4. This might be the most epic of backpedals for Microsoft, but you know they will trump Sony in sales now.

[YOUR MATE]

Massive backpedal and honestly for the best. As I've said all along I agree that the DRM etc isn't as good as it currently is, even though I had no major dramas with where it was heading. But better for everyone it is now done with.

I foresee a shift in a lot of peoples thinking now.

[Niva]

http://t.qkme.me/3qe120.jpg

[Tones]

Yep. Only real gripe left Is the Kinect needing to be plugged in all the time.
DRM and 24hr check in was holding me back, as I sometimes bring my 360 up to work. Now no need to worry.

[volt_bite]

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[thrtytwo]

Haha came to post the same thing. Holy shit! Big move

[Niva]

So they put in a 24hour DRM that requires you to have the console connected to the the internet every 24 hours but put in a system that negates that?

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Yes and yes. That's exactly what they're doing. There will be no back pedal.
They already stated, if you dont have internet, buy a 360.

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They're not going to flush years of planning and engineering down the toilet. Their entire DRM system relies on this online authentication and it's waaaaaaayyyy too late to back out now. They'll plow on ahead as best they can for the time being and see how things pan out over the next couple of years.


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http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Placing my pre order now for xbone.


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[jaba]

Definitely going to be close competition now, like the Xbox 360 and ps3 before it, there's no massive faults or bonuses with either console now. Just depends on the games you want to play. The way it should be.

[s1mon]

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Placing my pre order now for xbone.

LOL GameStop 2 days ago ceased all Xbone pre-orders- Im willing to bet this was a factor in MS's back peddling.

PS4 will have the usual Sony build quality. So will the Xbone, get ready for your RROD!


LOL. There are several games that can't be launched in offline mode.

In Steam? I have a 200+gig Steam folder, when I travel to site I copy my updated steam folder to my laptop. After initially logging in and authorising my computer for my Steam account. I dont need to be online for any single player game. What single player Steam game can you not play offline?

[mehow2g]

Sorry for trying to steal from you we noticed that no one wants our console, here you go this is what you guys actually wanted.

Just the fact they attempted to do what they did people should be still in rage and refuse to buy the thing it wont be long until they pull some more shit like this.


I lol'd at the "we listen and care for our customers" Microsoft fans were in rage of rumors dating back last year and when it was truely confirmed shit hit the fan and even after it was all made offical they spent weeks to try convince that the features are good.

Joke.

[cactus]

Ah, faith has been restored.

Was not keen on purchasing PS4 - as good as it sounds, the PS3 (at the time) sounded just as 'revolutionary' yet was a big steaming piece of shit.

[INSINR8R]

Haters gonna hate, still same old arguments.

Fuck all ya'll, Niva and Tones, see you in Forza 5 :D

Simon. All of the games.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2012/06/all-of-the-things.jpg

[Gr3mlin]

Good job Microsoft, people will still complain though.

[Tones]

Yes. That was the link I posted on the previous Page ;-)

[Gr3mlin]

Yes. That was the link I posted on the previous Page ;-)

Shhh sometimes I can be pretty slow :P

[Tones]

Hahaha plus it's still before 9am

[volt_bite]

Now just lower the price to match hahaha

[duste]

Sorry for trying to steal from you we noticed that no one wants our console, here you go this is what you guys actually wanted.

Just the fact they attempted to do what they did people should be still in rage and refuse to buy the thing it wont be long until they pull some more shit like this.


I lol'd at the "we listen and care for our customers" Microsoft fans were in rage of rumors dating back last year and when it was truely confirmed shit hit the fan and even after it was all made offical they spent weeks to try convince that the features are good.

Joke.

Ha, just said pretty much the exact same thing to Niva. 100% agree.

Can't deny it's fantastic that they've turned it around, but you also can't deny it was a dog act in the first place.

[SircatmaN]

My pint has been entirely proven. You need to be able to show companies that you don't like their shit and they need to sort themselves out by voicing it to them, either through returning their shit products, or in Xbox ones case making it very clear you wont buy their product.

My major gripe with Xbone is fixed and its now looking like it might actually be something I'd purchase in the future.

However the damage is done and I will be buying a PS4 on launch to show that even MENTIONING and ENTERTAINING the idea of DRM is a suicide move for anyone in the games industry.

My work here is done. I might actually get to play halo 5 and Killer Instinct one day.

And for all those people on here saying "Woo see microsoft are the best, they do what gamers want, condecending wonka" they didn't fuckoff the DRM because you supported them, they did it because WE told them to get fucked, I sent emails to them with my gamertag info proving I am a big spender on games and that I have had accounts from launch on 360 and a few months into X1 launch.

You need to stop being fucking pushovers and tell them how its going to be.

Victory.

[volt_bite]

A rare victory I would say. But glad they did a 180. I am a ps3 owner, never had a 360 but I would seriously consider a xbone now, only to play games like forza and halo again.

[YOUR MATE]

LOL. Yes I'm sure your emails are what swayed them and not publishers saying "like fuck you will let 10 people play 1 copy of our game".

Be it a backpedal, troll move by marketing or them genuinely giving a fuck, its all good news. To the people saying they will boycott it on principal of what may of happened but didn't you can just go hold your signs and scream chants of contempt in the corner. God damn hippies.

Also interesting to note that now Sony's entire marketing campaign of saying they'll give you what XBOX won't is shot to shit. XBOX will be all over the news saying how now it is giving people what they asked for, regardless of the motives behind it. Niva saw it coming I think. Bang on.

[SircatmaN]

LOL. Yes I'm sure your emails are what swayed them and not publishers saying "like fuck you will let 10 people play 1 copy of our game".

Be it a backpedal, troll move by marketing or them genuinely giving a fuck, its all good news. To the people saying they will boycott it on principal of what may of happened but didn't you can just go hold your signs and scream chants of contempt in the corner. God damn hippies.

Also interesting to note that now Sony's entire marketing campaign of saying they'll give you what XBOX won't is shot to shit. XBOX will be all over the news saying how now it is giving people what they asked for, regardless of the motives behind it. Niva saw it coming I think. Bang on.

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/250x250/38128046.jpg

Of course my emails didn't do it. Its a combination of people sending emails, blogging, facebook and twitter updates and shares, places like gamestop ceasing preorders. A few posts back you were praising Microsoft about there gamesharing plan and now you are saying its the sole reason they backpedaled. Publishers like EA WANT the DRM, they try and put it in their games as it is, letting 9 people play a game at different times is nothing. It changed because people like me and others here and on the net who actually care about quality in this industry wouldn't stand for it and made it clear to microsoft, my emails were probably one of millions.
They backpedaled because they done goofed.
I also said I will possibly buy one in the future now, my play was always to have all the consoles this gen but I simply wont stand for DRM bullshit, I'll make that clear by not supporting them during launch which is when they will really need it, I will wait and buy it for cheap later on and use the PS4 as my primary console, something I haven't done since X1 was released.

Also its not about "what may of happened". It HAPPENED. Microsoft shit in your hand and tried to tell you it was chocolate cake, and you took a massive bite, realized it was shit and then tried to convince everyone on here that even though it was shit, it still kinda tasted good and you were going to continue to buy shitcakes from Microsoft.

[fuzzmeisterr]

Looks like I'm off to pre-order an XB1 after work, now to decide what games to get...

[Tones]

Microsoft press conference soon. Maybe some more changes coming.
Hopefully " basic bundle minus Kinect $399, also no longer need plugged in all the time" haha

[s1mon]

Haters gonna hate, still same old arguments.

Fuck all ya'll, Niva and Tones, see you in Forza 5 :D

Simon. All of the games.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2012/06/all-of-the-things.jpg

Thats strange man. When was the last time you tried? I suggest trying again.

[MGR]

Wow! Massive back pedal! Honestly didn't think MS were able to react as quickly as that. There must have been much shitting of corporate pants post E3. I believe they've also gotten rid of the ridiculous region blocking too. I assume games like Forza will need to drop their mandatory online policy as well.

I also see they've shit-canned their game sharing policy - even for digitally downloaded games. You'd think they'd be trying offer incentives to purchase digitally (as they can't be re-sold). Just goes to show it was all bullshit in the first place and they were only interested in controlling physical copy licencing.

Now all they need to do is offer a model without kinect and drop $100.

*edit*


Also its not about "what may of happened". It HAPPENED. Microsoft shit in your hand and tried to tell you it was chocolate cake, and you took a massive bite, realized it was shit and then tried to convince everyone on here that even though it was shit, it still kinda tasted good and you were going to continue to buy shitcakes from Microsoft.

LOL

[YOUR MATE]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/250x250/38128046.jpg

Of course my emails didn't do it. Its a combination of people sending emails, blogging, facebook and twitter updates and shares, places like gamestop ceasing preorders. A few posts back you were praising Microsoft about there gamesharing plan and now you are saying its the sole reason they backpedaled. Publishers like EA WANT the DRM, they try and put it in their games as it is, letting 9 people play a game at different times is nothing. It changed because people like me and others here and on the net who actually care about quality in this industry wouldn't stand for it and made it clear to microsoft, my emails were probably one of millions.
They backpedaled because they done goofed.
I also said I will possibly buy one in the future now, my play was always to have all the consoles this gen but I simply wont stand for DRM bullshit, I'll make that clear by not supporting them during launch which is when they will really need it, I will wait and buy it for cheap later on and use the PS4 as my primary console, something I haven't done since X1 was released.

Also its not about "what may of happened". It HAPPENED. Microsoft shit in your hand and tried to tell you it was chocolate cake, and you took a massive bite, realized it was shit and then tried to convince everyone on here that even though it was shit, it still kinda tasted good and you were going to continue to buy shitcakes from Microsoft.

Idiot. Read and put into context the entirety of my post, not just parts of it. Also don't go twisting my words. I have kept the same line from day one. I said no DRM is best, but I give no fucks for the plan they were pursuing with it as it would not impact me in any negative way. If I could share games and also potentially the cost of said games then all the better. I knew what the story was the whole time and just didn't cry about it like you appear to still be doing.

Also as I just said previously it didn't happen. For all anyone knows this was their plan all along. Granted it probably wasn't but who fucking knows. You don't. I don't. It didn't happen as the console isnt even released yet and yet you continue to fucking bitch about it. Even when they fixed the problems you had with it. Oh won't somebody think of the children.

Pull your head in, don't buy it and shut the fuck up.

[Tones]

Deep double post haha

[evo5aurus]

LOL. There are several games that can't be launched in offline mode.

however some games require you to connect to their own (the publishers) servers so still wont work but that isn't a problem with steam.

the only single player games that can't be played offline via steam are the ones that the publisher has placed their own online based DRM on, again its nothing to do with steam if the game doesn't work offline.


also LOL at epic backflip. At least they caved to consumer demand, don't think Sony would give an inch in the same situation TBH.

[Niva]

Knowing old mate bill the day one update will turn DRM back on

[TheChad]

lol tactical move my microsoft. now everyone all like yay no drm, i'll buy an xbone now.

For me it was never about that, because I saw the balance between the good and bad parts of drm not being that great.

Personally, as it stands currently, the playing field has been levelled on that aspect, which is great, however the points that the PS4 still has the better hardware and the cheaper price can't be ignored. I'm still going to wait until release to decide which is better now though, I will wait for the final specs and utilisation of those specs before making a decision.

Also the PS3 was a steaming pile of shit? I pledge no allegiance to any brand in this mix, but when I was deciding which console to buy from the last generation the PS3 was the easier choice over the 360 due to graphics, performance, and no RROD. (i did have a drive failure though... ended up losing about $80 on repairing it myself)

[anton]

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Really? My Comment Still Stands, They did not implement a system that Negates the 24Hr DRM they Removed the 24Hr DRM.. Different!

[fourseven]

Knowing old mate bill the day one update will turn DRM back on

You know Bill Gates left Microsoft in 2006, right?

[anton]

isnt that about the time MS started having retarded Ideas?

[TheChad]

he didn't leave microsoft, according to wikipedia he's still chairman.

I thought he was just no longer the ceo etc?

[anton]

he attends board meetings but doesn't get into the day to day running's of the business. that's what he pays people for

[fourseven]

isnt that about the time MS started having retarded Ideas?

It's actually about the time they started releasing decent products and software.

[Niva]

like vista

[fourseven]

Gates launched Vista.

Windows 7 is fine.

[duste]

You seem to be forgetting that Windows 8, just as big a flop as Windows Vista, was launched under the current management as well as Windows 7?

[fourseven]

Not at all. But I understand that people won't buy 8 when 7 is fine. Just because someone doesn't buy it, doesn't mean it's not a great product. People don't want to replace XP with 7, why would 7 users replace it with 8?

I don't have a Ferrari 458. Doesn't mean it's a piece of shit.

Nothing wrong with Windows 7 sales!

[Niva]

I picture you pulling the face of your display pic when you type. no idea why

[Jazza]

Nah not Rhangry enough of a facial expression for Rhettle!

[s1mon]

Sheesh, enough about Windblows and back to attacking the Xbone!

http://i.imgur.com/5CYP7yj.png

[duste]

Not at all. But I understand that people won't buy 8 when 7 is fine. Just because someone doesn't buy it, doesn't mean it's not a great product. People don't want to replace XP with 7, why would 7 users replace it with 8?

I don't have a Ferrari 458. Doesn't mean it's a piece of shit.

Nothing wrong with Windows 7 sales!

I haven't driven (used?) a Ferrari 458, so I don't have the experience to call it shit.

I have, however, used Windows 8 and my previous opinion (which may very well be my opinion alone - couldn't care less) stands.

As above though, back to the 180.

EDIT: PM sent to keep the thread clean.

[fourseven]

What's your beef with 8? Do you use 7 daily?

[adrenalin]

Stfu both of you...

Make your own thread on windows 8 vs other Operating systems.

[evoeata]

Will be buying an Xbox on release! Fuck playstation!

[YOUR MATE]

I can't wait to sell my limited edition day one XBOX controller on eBay for a profit and use it to buy my PS4.

Back to E3 then now this girls slap fight is done with. Who here is getting The Division and on what platform? Hoping it releases for PC but otherwise I'll grab it for whatever console most people are playing it on. Looks awesome.

Also anyone checked EB pricing for next gen games? Fucking $118?!? When did this happen? Ozgameshop selling them at $90 at least.

[masTers]

Don't pay attention to game prices, EB always pull that shit. Price match or get them from BigW or K-Mart.

[mehow2g]

I dont understand peoples connection with a brand no matter how much it rapes their ability to do things no matter how shit it is they will buy it and defend it as if it's their own family.

[s1mon]

I dont understand peoples connection with a brand no matter how much it rapes their ability to do things no matter how shit it is they will buy it and defend it as if it's their own family.

I hear you man, both West Coast and Fremantle suck balls but people will still defend them 'til their dying breath. Wankers

[ho57ile]

Division on ps4, frothing at the gash to play that!

[adrenalin]

I dont understand peoples connection with a brand no matter how much it rapes their ability to do things no matter how shit it is they will buy it and defend it as if it's their own family.

Bingo the only answer is as long as whatever you buy makes you happy then who gives a fuck. Or buy both and have the best of both worlds.

[volt_bite]

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[thrtytwo]

HAHAHAHAHA

At first I was like "I swear that was already posted in here...lemme go back to look!"

went back, saw it was you who posted it...figured it must've been changed to reflect recent back peddles. Come back to look, and proceed to lol.

In all honesty, I have no problems with XBone now, and may get one in time, but will still get PS4 first

[volt_bite]

I had the same initial reaction, I laughed too hard so had to share haha

[mehow2g]

Bingo the only answer is as long as whatever you buy makes you happy then who gives a fuck. Or buy both and have the best of both worlds.

Thats true but what Microsoft tried to pull before they "listened" no one should even look at it fanboy or not, what happened with Microsoft is probably the best thing that has happened for gamers whether your a PC Sony MS Nintendo fan in the past 10 years it shows the consumer can dictate a direction a company goes.

Great day for gamers there's only 1 more thing left MS to do which is release a Kinect-less version that would be a pure win for everyone.

[Sciflyer]

Lolz at thinking consumer power had anything to do with this
They gambled on the pre-development rumours that Sony was going to have restrictive DRM and reselling policies and got caught out. Even with no Sony E3 pwnage or Internet smackdowns Microsoft would've seen right away that the Xbone did not stack up next to the PS4 (and still doesn't, only less so...)

[SircatmaN]

Lolz at thinking consumer power had anything to do with this
They gambled on the pre-development rumours that Sony was going to have restrictive DRM and reselling policies and got caught out. Even with no Sony E3 pwnage or Internet smackdowns Microsoft would've seen right away that the Xbone did not stack up next to the PS4 (and still doesn't, only less so...)

Consumer power has everything to do with it.
Microsoft is in the business of making money, if they get the picture that consumers don't want to give them money they need to rethink their strategy.
Also technologywise the 360 didn't stack up against the ps3, they didn't change the console and they were still the best of the current gen.

[ho57ile]

Yeah because countless hordes of people saying that they wont buy your product has absolutely nothing to do with changing your product to get more people to buy it.......

Xbone kinda redeemed now, if they do release a kinectless version I will buy it.

[Niksmo]

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again

[YOUR MATE]

LOL don't start this shit again. But he echos my thoughts exactly.

[SircatmaN]

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again

The guy makes some good points and then completely misses with others.
Firstly second hand games aren't $10 less, if I buy second hand its usually $20 and its usually a game that didn't interest me really at all but for $20 I'll give it a shot. For example I did this with assassins creed 1. I enjoyed that game so much that I went on to preorder limited edition copies of EVERY SINGLE assassins creed ever since. That's like another 5 games I've spent around $150+ on (for all the limited edition extras) I would have never bought otherwise, simply because I picked it up second hand when looking for something to waste time on.
I also did this with borderlands, I picked up the first game and enjoyed it so much I got my friends to buy it cheap and then we ALL bought Borderlands 2 on launch.
Lets be honest, games that promote themselves well get bought on day 1 not second hand, if a developer doesn't promote very well they rely on the fact people might pick it up second hand and try it and then buy the sequel.
He also absolutely misses the points I've made about using consumerism to stop developers making dodgey games because with the DRM you cannot return a game if its subpar quality.

I think his idea to "Opt in" is the way to go. If people really want to do that then let them but don't force it onto people, ease people into it and let them make the choice and decide that they like it instead of forcing people into things that right now they honestly don't want.

Another point I've made previously is that I wouldn't have a problem with that system if the games were $30-$40. The fact they over charge (what looks like $120 for this next gen?) is a joke and that's why the ability to trade and buy second hand games needs to be in place, if games were only $30-$40 no one would care about saving "$10"(the sum he mentions) on a second hand copy but its because they are greedy they won't drop the price.

I'm not trying to push on an old argument I'm just trying to show that there are so many sides to this and that I want the best out of the industry and getting it right now means that things will be better in the future. If you just sit back and let these greedy companies (Microsoft, EA, etc) dictate that you can pay more for less they will continue to do so. Don't forget that places like EA take mega advantage of the teams that make these great games like Assassins creed and stuff, they force them to pump out sequel after sequel with no way near the innovation that the designers want for the next edition simply to make money annually off the series, I mean Assassins creed Brotherhood and Revelations despite being enjoyable games were really just DLC for assassins creed 2 but we were forced into paying another $200+ for them.

[MGR]

Youtube muppet

again

Fuck that was hard to watch.

People didn't perceive 'always online' as an issue. They had a problem the forced 24hr check-in just to play single player games.

Family sharing was nothing short of a manipulative scam. The 'sharing' process only allowed them to play games in your library up to one hour maximum. At that point they would then be prompted to purchase to keep playing. Was nothing but a glorified demo system.

Microsoft PR was terrible because they were making up digital licence policies on the fly trying to react to the massive blowback.

[s1mon]

Before MS's back peddling the PS4 was the #1 preorder console on US Amazon. After MS's 180, Xbone is now #1.

This cements the fact that consumer feedback does matter, and people will vote with their wallets.

[Dagon]

Can we start calling it the Xbox 180 yet?

[ho57ile]

Fuck that was hard to watch.

Can't stand that fucking editing watched about 20seconds of it and I was frustrated. Good news for gamers!! More competition breeds a better product for us all.

[forde]

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[masTers]

EB are listing Forza 5 for $88.

[anton]

xbox one only supports 802.11n what if your router is older

[adrenalin]

xbox one only supports 802.11n what if your router is older

Buy a new one lol ?

[SircatmaN]

Just a warning for people, EB are claiming that they are almost out of 2013 stock for PS4 and Xbox One. I went in to preorder battlefield 4 and thought I would double check my ps4 preorder that I put down in Feb. Lucky I did because they had lost it and it took 2 days, several backa nd forths over the phone and going through all my transactions to find it.

If you put your preorder down a while ago just double check because once they are sold out you won't be getting one until 2014, and who wants to wait that long?

[adrenalin]

Pre order with JB HI FI for win.

[SircatmaN]

Pre order with JB HI FI for win.

Don't get mah carrots with JBs.

[mod]

Wireless N are backwards compatible to B/G wireless, so It should work with your router but will work at G speeds.

[anton]

Buy a new one lol ?

im not talking about me my router supports 802.11n, but cant assume everyone has 802.11N routers

[masTers]

I suggest they all petition MS to make the xbox compatible with all routers then.

[SircatmaN]

I suggest they all petition MS to make the xbox compatible with all routers then.

We have a product for people that can't use N wireless, its called the xbox 360.

[MGR]

Wireless N are backwards compatible to B/G wireless, so It should work with your router but will work at G speeds.

This.

No need for a new router.

[Tones]

New eb in Kwinana didn't mention anything about low stocks. Put my pre order down just then for xbone

[anton]

Cmon Tones, get a PS4..

[Tones]

could never get use to the ps3 controller... might give the ps4 a try tho