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Missile
09-07-2014, 01:28 PM
Looking in to getting a new daily so starting the research. L320 (2008-2009) Range Rovers Sports... good or bad.
Both the TDV6 and TDV8 Engines seem to get a good enough wrap. People generally only seem to go away from the Petrol motor due to fuel consumption.
Seems to be a complain about gearbox rattle, but generally not mechanically related.
Brake wear is high, but this would be expected from a vehicle that size.
Also electrics seem to be a massive issue. Not just the fact that there are sensors sensing everything, but also fault codes throwing the car in to limp mode.

Biggest concern is that a lot of these cars are now over the 100k kms mark. Is this an issue with the Land Rover?

mr_mike
09-07-2014, 05:20 PM
Range Rover sport does not belong in a 4x4/Offroad section.

mys1
09-07-2014, 05:25 PM
Range Rover sport does not belong in a 4x4/Offroad section.

STFU - they are actually surprisingly capable
Buy from a dealer, get a FACTORY extended warranty, trade in in 3 years when extended warranty runs out

Brett_J
09-07-2014, 05:53 PM
You seem to list a decent amount of issues with them, given the 2nd hand price of them and the issues, why would you bother?

Buy a Cayenne !

mr_mike
09-07-2014, 06:55 PM
STFU - they are actually surprisingly capable
Buy from a dealer, get a FACTORY extended warranty, trade in in 3 years when extended warranty runs out

yeah 18" low profile tyres are perfect for offroad excursions. Driving down a unsealed road is hardly 4wding.

Buckets
09-07-2014, 07:03 PM
STFU.

They are more than capible enough for most off road stuff and theres plenty of youtube vids to prove it.

Bloody nice cars but still a bit rich for me. Do what mys1 suggests and go for it.

killabeez
09-07-2014, 07:35 PM
yeah 18" low profile tyres are perfect for offroad excursions. Driving down a unsealed road is hardly 4wding.

Lol they surprisingly go alright, even with road tyres.

tinto
09-07-2014, 07:38 PM
Join AULRO to get model specific info - you'll fine the RRS lumped in with the discovery 3 and 4.
We have a 2009 LR D3 2.7 diesel - essentially the same car as an RRS under the skin but in a bit more of a practical shape at the rear (for our use).

I think the tdv6 in the RRS is a higher output than the 2.7 (it's a 3.0 isn't it?). Should be a quicker unit than ours, which is the only area I think ours is slightly lacking.

Our diesel seems reasonably efficient given the huge mass of the car (11L average, about the same as my R36), ours has been very well behaved as the family bus.
The rear gate is awesome.
The air suspension is great.

There's a place called Green Oval Experience that do RR/LR specific offroad courses to help you get the most out of the car.

Brett_J
09-07-2014, 07:58 PM
Didn't Karl take a Touereg V12 down the powerlines with low profile tyres n shit?

S133LTR
09-07-2014, 08:19 PM
Bit of thread hi-jack (sorry OP) but anyone got any info/experience with the Touereg (TDV8/V10s?)

Passage GT
10-07-2014, 03:05 AM
Low profile tyres don't work on a soft beach regardless of the car they're on, my car has 18s but a 70 profile so they bag out fine, I've personally skull dragged a RR off the beach in lancelin in my old GQ, he was on 12psi but low profile tyres and it was useless on the sand.
No heresay or bagging a car, just personal experience.

mr_mike
10-07-2014, 07:00 AM
Also seen a RR sport get bogged up Lano and have to get winched out, he then got off the beach re-entered further along and rolled a tyre straight off the rim. but again that could happen to any car with low profile tyres

Joe
10-07-2014, 08:05 AM
Buy it, lift the pingpingpingping and slam a set of 35s on it with some black sunnies. Will keen the bogans honest up at the powerlines

scary
10-07-2014, 08:09 AM
Join AULRO to get model specific info - you'll fine the RRS lumped in with the discovery 3 and 4.
We have a 2009 LR D3 2.7 diesel - essentially the same car as an RRS under the skin but in a bit more of a practical shape at the rear (for our use).

I think the tdv6 in the RRS is a higher output than the 2.7 (it's a 3.0 isn't it?). Should be a quicker unit than ours, which is the only area I think ours is slightly lacking.

Our diesel seems reasonably efficient given the huge mass of the car (11L average, about the same as my R36), ours has been very well behaved as the family bus.
The rear gate is awesome.
The air suspension is great.

There's a place called Green Oval Experience that do RR/LR specific offroad courses to help you get the most out of the car.

On our 2nd Discovery - listen to this advice ^^^^^^

scary
10-07-2014, 08:17 AM
Low profile tyres don't work on a soft beach regardless of the car they're on, my car has 18s but a 70 profile so they bag out fine, I've personally skull dragged a RR off the beach in lancelin in my old GQ, he was on 12psi but low profile tyres and it was useless on the sand.
No heresay or bagging a car, just personal experience.

Whoever was driving the RRS doesn't know what he is doing then - probably left the traction control on causing him to get bogged

I have been in the dunes past wanneroo where everyone lines up to go up some big dunes - all the lifted Patrols, landcruisers, hilux's etc were lining back 40m to get a run up so they could get up the dune (a lot didn't make it) - 10 RRS and Discovery's lined up 10m from the bottom, put their foot down and went to the top with zero drama - tyres at 18psi

I would suggest you get in one with someone who has been taught how to use the electronics properly and you will be very surprised like the majority of jacked up 4wd owners are.

plus can your car do this at the touch of a button?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1390518_3464350262813_966763674_n.jpg

or this at powerlines?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/601735_3464877876003_1395402375_n.jpg

Joe
10-07-2014, 08:21 AM
I have a mega soft spot for the late model Disco's.

This one is my favourite. Saw it churning up down at White Hills, then a few weeks later spotted it parked in Mt Hawthorn.

Lots of quality parts except for the Lightforce spotties (not a fan of these at all), but other than that its awesome. It's not visible in the pic, but its also sporting a Kaymar dual rear wheel carrier.

http://i62.tinypic.com/6dy4wk.jpg

stumps.
10-07-2014, 08:54 AM
I have been looking at these (still looking for a new car) and the problem i have with the 08/09 is the calculator dash.

http://www.upscaleswagger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/22_2008_range_rover_sport.jpg

the 10 model is much nicer

http://www.leroiducamion.com/Resources/73/Images/Blog/22rangeroversportreview2010.jpeg

This is a massive shame for me paying 50k+ and getting a dash out of a 92 commodore. Unfortunately the 2010 starts at around 70k for second hand,

mr_mike
10-07-2014, 09:58 AM
Not keen on so much electronics in a 4wd, obviously computer controlled everything is going to make a vehicle more capable on most tracks but it's not much different to having a race car and all you do is keep it full throttle 100% of the time and point in right direction then the computer controls the throttle and brake as it goes round the track. Sure it's gonna be fast but I takes something away from the experience.

Sfidz
10-07-2014, 10:08 AM
Not keen on so much electronics in a 4wd, obviously computer controlled everything is going to make a vehicle more capable on most tracks but it's not much different to having a race car and all you do is keep it full throttle 100% of the time and point in right direction then the computer controls the throttle and brake as it goes round the track. Sure it's gonna be fast but I takes something away from the experience.

Thats all good any well but how many people drive their "track car" daily?
Don't think the OP is looking for a dedicated 4WD otherwise he would probably select something different.

mr_mike
10-07-2014, 12:52 PM
How many people will use "variable hill decent" or individual wheel electronic braking daily driving?

scary
10-07-2014, 01:26 PM
How many people are going to use 32" muddies with a 3 inch lift everyday? or their ARB locker, bull bar, rock sliders, 2 spares etc etc?

The electronics don't make it idiot proof as shown by the RRS that got skull dragged out of sand above.

Compared to some of the idiots I have seen out at powerlines it actually takes some finesse to go through some of the washed out climbs vs their version of mash pedal to floor and spin wheels like a banshee, hit the sides and hope like shit they come out the other end.

South
10-07-2014, 01:47 PM
Those sand hills you speak of, are they the Pinjar power station hill climbs?

Bashing the limiter and the car around is the newest wave of 4x4'ing with all the dildos that have decided to leave the street scene and join the 4x4 brigade.

Electronics can fuck off, my Wildtrak needs revs to climb sand dunes, whereas my Landcruiser will do the same with 1500rpm and no run up.

mr_mike
10-07-2014, 02:31 PM
Bashing the limiter and the car around is the newest wave of 4x4'ing with all the dildos that have decided to leave the street scene and join the 4x4 brigade.
.

I've noticed this there seems to be a lot more fuckwit in 4wd's these days chucking 6" lifts and 35's on trucks then all they do is go smash it into a deep mud hole or drive on tracks in 2wd carving out massive ruts then telling everyone how awesome it is that they drove that hill in 2wd.

Missile
11-07-2014, 10:16 AM
Join AULRO to get model specific info - you'll fine the RRS lumped in with the discovery 3 and 4.
We have a 2009 LR D3 2.7 diesel - essentially the same car as an RRS under the skin but in a bit more of a practical shape at the rear (for our use).

I think the tdv6 in the RRS is a higher output than the 2.7 (it's a 3.0 isn't it?). Should be a quicker unit than ours, which is the only area I think ours is slightly lacking.

Our diesel seems reasonably efficient given the huge mass of the car (11L average, about the same as my R36), ours has been very well behaved as the family bus.
The rear gate is awesome.
The air suspension is great.

There's a place called Green Oval Experience that do RR/LR specific offroad courses to help you get the most out of the car.

AULRO was where I started trawling for info on these. I understand that the internet can cloud reality, but this is where/why I started to question that the RRS reliability can be a little hit and miss. Well maybe not so much hit and miss, just fkn expensive when something does decide to break down. This may be due to a lack of DIY'ers and dealers are raping people for parts?
Most of the adds I've viewed have show the same 2.7L TDV6 engine, pretty sure its the late 2009 (the 10MY series) that moved to the 3.0L TDV6. As stumps pointed out, there is a large jump in price when you hit the 10MY series, which has the face-lift interior etc.
Its a personal preference, but Im just not a fan of the Discovery shape.

Certainly not looking at this for its off road capabilities, it would be lucky to see 5% of its time off the tarmac.

scary
11-07-2014, 11:48 AM
Parts out of the UK are actually easily had and more cost effective.

They do, do dumb things like throw check engine lights and limp mode over a blown tail light.

Airbag compressors do die but are not expensive to replace.

Brake switch - $126.00

Alternator

Those are the main things that go wrong.

There are a number of non dealer service guys that certainly know their shit and are much more cost effective.

Engines have been bullet proof and despite Landrover's say so the auto tranny oil needs to be flushed and changed every 80k - ZF have a non serviceable oil pan fitted to the LR's but you can get a ZF ali pan replacement as per I think the falcon ZF six Speed and change it over so the fluid can be dumped.

Signs of the gearbox needing a flush are the shifts get a little jerky.

The general electrics and wizardy don't appear to have any issues

Passage GT
11-07-2014, 12:22 PM
The car pictured above had a hell of a lot more sidewall than the rangey I pulled off the beach, that was running 20s and all the electronic trickery and traction control systems in the world won't make 45 or 50 profile sports tyres bag out on a beach, they looked like factory alloys, just dug holes, yes I've seen the videos and read the reviews where they praise their off road ability, but they drive through puddles and up over an obstacle, never seen them take one on a very soft beach and parts of lanno has some of the softest sand I've seen, even on 15s with a shit tin of sidewall I was dropped to 15psi to do it easily
Fact is to drive on soft sand you need to air down and you need to have sidewall for them to bag out.
The disco pictured above has twice as much as this range rover did.

Passage GT
11-07-2014, 12:23 PM
BTW no my car doesn't jack itself up at the push of a button, I'm pretty confident it could replicate the bottom picture with no issues though.

mys1
11-07-2014, 01:50 PM
The car pictured above had a hell of a lot more sidewall than the rangey I pulled off the beach, that was running 20s and all the electronic trickery and traction control systems in the world won't make 45 or 50 profile sports tyres bag out on a beach, they looked like factory alloys, just dug holes, yes I've seen the videos and read the reviews where they praise their off road ability, but they drive through puddles and up over an obstacle, never seen them take one on a very soft beach and parts of lanno has some of the softest sand I've seen, even on 15s with a shit tin of sidewall I was dropped to 15psi to do it easily
Fact is to drive on soft sand you need to air down and you need to have sidewall for them to bag out.
The disco pictured above has twice as much as this range rover did.

You know "bagging out" has no actual relevance to traction in sand right?

It extends tread, not widens it

http://coopertiresaus.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tyre-footprint.jpg

mr_mike
11-07-2014, 02:26 PM
still need to have more than a bees dick of sidewall for it to happen.

scary
11-07-2014, 02:36 PM
well duh ^^^

photo of the black one is my old one on (shock horror) 18's

mys1
11-07-2014, 03:15 PM
[QUOTE=mr_mike;1204399]still need to have more than a bees dick of sidewall for it to happen.[/QUOTE

No... you don't THe foot print becomes larger as pressure drops.

Yes Bigger sidewalls help - but low profiles - driven correctly are surprisingly capable.

Obviously not everyone is going to take their RR sport off road - and some 4wds will be better suited - but the uneducated assumptions going on here are hillarious!

mr_mike
11-07-2014, 04:27 PM
[QUOTE=mr_mike;1204399]still need to have more than a bees dick of sidewall for it to happen.[/QUOTE

No... you don't THe foot print becomes larger as pressure drops.

Yes Bigger sidewalls help - but low profiles - driven correctly are surprisingly capable.

Obviously not everyone is going to take their RR sport off road - and some 4wds will be better suited - but the uneducated assumptions going on here are hillarious!

But low profile tyres have shorter stiffer sidewalls right? so when the pressure drops what little sidewall there is is not going to have much give in it and the tyre will not change shape much.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dUv3rL_0rZ8/TiQC-uma6lI/AAAAAAAAAkA/DaSZOifWc4Y/s1600/IMG_0681.jpg
Best pic I could find, low profile tyre is also more likely to roll of the bead when you drop the pressure

DRKWRX
11-07-2014, 04:36 PM
bigger sidewall still helps tire extend more front to back when let down??

Buckets
11-07-2014, 04:39 PM
For fucks sake...

Rangie Sports are fine offroad for most of what this state has to offer for recreational off roading and if you wish to disagree fine. Don't fucking buy one.

The fucking end.

mr_mike
11-07-2014, 05:22 PM
For fucks sake...

Rangie Sports are fine offroad for most of what this state has to offer for recreational off roading and if you wish to disagree fine. Don't fucking buy one.

The fucking end.

do you even know what this state can offer in recreational off roading??

Passage GT
11-07-2014, 05:47 PM
I'm not actually bagging the vehicles lol, i'm just stating that low profile tyres don't perform as well off road as large profile tyres do, there's simply no arguing that point...car had low profile tyres, dug holes in the sand, had to get dragged out, end of story, get the fuck over it already.
oh and shock fucking horror, my car also has 18s... they just happen to also use a 70 profile.

Brett_J
11-07-2014, 05:58 PM
LOL , so much anger in this thread, I don't give fuck, but if you are running a low profile tyre, it will not give you fuck all foot print, you can't grow material that isn't there by dropping the pressure, it's not a magical tyre, bottom line, for anything other then a quick beach run on pretty hard sand, or gravel track and a normal mud/rock track, it's going to be no good. But throw some decent A/T's on there and you'll, need more high end cars offroading just to shut the unit wearing fucktards up :)

South
11-07-2014, 06:58 PM
Lano sand is rock solid compared to a stretch of sand off Byrne Rd, that comes off Brand Hwy Muchea area.
It borders RAAF ground, and even with the sand wet after storms, you sink just standing there.

Its only a few kms long, if that, but its the best sand driving track!!!

lets take these pansies with soft roaders out there, watch them dig to china :)

mr_mike
11-07-2014, 07:04 PM
I found Pippindini (sp) up past Wanneroo to be the worst i even came across. May of just been a one off occasion but dirtbikes just sank and even standing on the sand I sunk up to my knees.

Chivalry
11-07-2014, 08:28 PM
AULRO was where I started trawling for info on these. I understand that the internet can cloud reality, but this is where/why I started to question that the RRS reliability can be a little hit and miss. Well maybe not so much hit and miss, just fkn expensive when something does decide to break down. This may be due to a lack of DIY'ers and dealers are raping people for parts?
Most of the adds I've viewed have show the same 2.7L TDV6 engine, pretty sure its the late 2009 (the 10MY series) that moved to the 3.0L TDV6. As stumps pointed out, there is a large jump in price when you hit the 10MY series, which has the face-lift interior etc.
Its a personal preference, but Im just not a fan of the Discovery shape.

Certainly not looking at this for its off road capabilities, it would be lucky to see 5% of its time off the tarmac.

Why a Sport over a normal/real Range Rover?

If it is as simple as personal preference, a pity, because a D3 would be so much better than a Sport. Unless you want the speed of a Supercharged Sport, or can't find/afford a TDV8 Vogue and settle for a TDV8 Sport, or like to watch yourself masturbate in front of a mirror/pretend you are a celebrity, there is no reason to choose a Sport over a real Range Rover. You would almost be better off getting a Toureg or Cayenne, but I don't know shit from logic because I would get a soft dash LWB Range Rover Classic with a 300TDI swap over a newer Range Rover any day and enjoy having $8-15k+ change left over.