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butters
24-06-2015, 04:55 PM
Hey all,

Trying to help out a friend, they have an outlander and wanting to get a space saver.

Stud pattern is 5x114.3 but Mitsubishi want crack money for one. I can't find any on the net and after some research I've found that some Falcons (BA from memory) have the same stud pattern and there are a couple on gumtree.

Would a falcon space saver be fine on an outlander?

TIA on any advice

Cheers

mys1
24-06-2015, 07:24 PM
Go to a wrecker - wills have plenty

djr81
24-06-2015, 07:46 PM
Also same PCD as a 5 stud Skyline.

DISTRBD
24-06-2015, 08:24 PM
I have a few here , 15's 16's and 17's

Phyber
24-06-2015, 08:24 PM
Watch out for centre bore measurement, might need a slip on hub ring or the spare machined out a bit...might affect strength though so I'd be wary of that.

PCD might match but if it's not actually located on the hub but instead hanging on the studs only bad things could happen, possibly.

Was made aware of this info when I was shopping Nissan spec rims to go on my BF falcon :)


Edit - bit of googling and I'm reading discussions that they aren't needed, or can even melt during track work. Anyone care to advise their experiences?

hako
24-06-2015, 10:32 PM
Edit - bit of googling and I'm reading discussions that they aren't needed, or can even melt during track work. Anyone care to advise their experiences?

Hub Rings? Definitely use them.

shifted
24-06-2015, 10:40 PM
Do they have the same load rating?

huggy_b
25-06-2015, 05:56 AM
A space saver is to get you to and from a tyre shop to repair the tyre. They don't have the same load or speed rating as a standard rim/tyre combo.

mys1
25-06-2015, 07:29 AM
I think it was in reference to hubcentric rings.

The metal rings are the best - the plastic ones are meah. they are there to ensure the rim is centered on the hub when installing.

As for load rating with them. They will transfer some load from the rim directly onto the hub so takes load of the wheel studs.

I've run with and without them, and seen many run with and without. They do no harm having them fitted so its worth it IMHO.



As for Space savers. The biggest mistake people make is not running them at the correct pressure, then wondering why they blow out...

S85FI
25-06-2015, 07:51 AM
The rim is designed to sit in the hub. The load is not designed to be a rotating mass in wheel studs.
Show many people complain about land cruiser and patrol snapping wheel studs with after market rims.

Seen plenty of fords and holdens do the same.

For what's it's worth spacers are yellow sticker stuff.

DISTRBD
25-06-2015, 07:59 AM
The rim is designed to sit in the hub. The load is not designed to be a rotating mass in wheel studs.
Show many people complain about land cruiser and patrol snapping wheel studs with after market rims.


Done over 180,000kms and no snapped studs yet :)

mys1
25-06-2015, 08:09 AM
The rim is designed to sit in the hub. The load is not designed to be a rotating mass in wheel studs.
Show many people complain about land cruiser and patrol snapping wheel studs with after market rims.

Seen plenty of fords and holdens do the same.

For what's it's worth spacers are yellow sticker stuff.

A lot of it comes down to how you fit the rim to the hub - believe it or not there is a right way and a wrong way.

S85FI
25-06-2015, 12:14 PM
Done over 180,000kms and no snapped studs yet :)

lol 180k.... 225k and snap.....:)

DISTRBD
25-06-2015, 01:09 PM
lol 180k.... 225k and snap.....:)

Then I will just put it down to the fact it has travelled 550,000kms on the original studs :P

butters
25-06-2015, 04:28 PM
thanks for all the input guys, will make some calls to wreckers and see what i can get.

tinto
25-06-2015, 04:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPh90yNX-mY

shifted
25-06-2015, 05:28 PM
The rim is designed to sit in the hub. The load is not designed to be a rotating mass in wheel studs.
Show many people complain about land cruiser and patrol snapping wheel studs with after market rims.

Seen plenty of fords and holdens do the same.

For what's it's worth spacers are yellow sticker stuff.

I had spacers on for a while (20mm) with hub-centric rings etc. Ran fine, still managed to have a stud shear from the spacer itself but that wasn't a big issue. Cops pulled me over with it and the female officer shown her flashlight on each wheel and didn't spot them somehow (must have been focusing on tyre tread) and off I was. Though I hear it is yellow sticker territory.

Much prefer running correct sized wheels though.

Is it Porsche that runs spacers on factory cars? Have heard that comment from a couple people?

RICEY
25-06-2015, 05:49 PM
I think it was in reference to hubcentric rings.

The metal rings are the best - the plastic ones are meah. they are there to ensure the rim is centered on the hub when installing.

As for load rating with them. They will transfer some load from the rim directly onto the hub so takes load of the wheel studs.

I've run with and without them, and seen many run with and without. They do no harm having them fitted so its worth it IMHO.



As for Space savers. The biggest mistake people make is not running them at the correct pressure, then wondering why they blow out...

Even when 60psi is stamped in massive letters on the sidewall haha People are morons.