PLASMA OR LCD TV

[cducer]

lookin to buy a new tv in 100-120cm just asking for opinions on wats better the lcd or plasma

[Denver]

i bought a plasma a little while ago, went thry the same process you are now, there isn't much difference in the picture quality, IMHO plasma gives a nicer look to it, and all the old burn in issues etc are not much of a problem now days as the technology has grown..

bets bit of plasma over lcd, is the cost on average 2k less than an lcd for the same size..

[DRKWRX]

im looking to get one soon aswell, I think there is no doubt that a good quality lcd is better then a plasma but lcd's are still to expensive for a good size one so im thinking of getting a HD Plasma. I wouldnt say that burn in isnt a problem anymore some brands are worse then others and ive heard if you keep the contrast under 50% for the first 100 hours it should be fine.

[cducer]

yeh most of the salesman are saying under 90cm go lcd any bigger the that the plasma is the way to go just wana be sure b4 i fork out the coin

[Muppet_Guy]

I'm planning to get one shortly too, and it will be an LCD one. Don't care if it is 2K more. When you look at all TVs side by side in a store, all the better quality images come from LCDs, plasmas look crap in comparison. You won't find one plasma screen that has better quality image than an LCD. Why pay all that money to get sh|t quality?

Oh, also, the reason why I'm not worried by the 2K difference is because there's a perfectly legal way for anybody to get the taxman to pay for 30 to up to 48% of the set (which can almost cover that 2K difference). Anybody can do it, and you don't have to be in business of any sort, you can work as a payroll clerk or some sh|t if you wanted to, and this option is still available to you. Two of my friends have already done so no problems, saved heaps too!

Basically, there's a list called Fringe Benefits Tax exempt benefits. Under this list, the taxman lists all kinds of sh|t, such as PDAs, mobile phones, briefcases, laptops etc etc. What this means is once a year you can salary sacrifice any of this crap with your gross pay (say you make 4K a month inclusive of tax, or 3K after tax) you can spend all your gross pay (ie 4K) on one of those items, and they won't take tax off you. Which means, the 1K in tax your employer would have taken off you, pays for the goods also. Now, TV's are not on that list but... what you do is go up to the salesman, say u wanna get this hotsh|t $5K laptop, don't take delivery of the laptop yet, tell the salesman to give you an invoice and you provide your boss to pay for it, boss gives you the cash or cheque, whatever, you come back and say you've changed your mind and want to get this sweet $5K LCD TV instead of the laptop. Easy. If the salesman is cool, or if you know anyone, it might probably be better if you discuss it with them first, they won't care anyway, they just want a sale. So provided you are in the 30% tax bracket, a $5K screen is only gonna cost you $3.5K. Boss doesn't need to know anything, since it's a private thing anyway, and not business. Anyway, I'll be doing that in the next couple of months too :boink:

[RICEY]

For a big cheap TV with pretty good picture quality another option is LCD Rear projection. Unlike the old DLP rear projection these transmit through 3 tiny LCD screens so the picture is a lot better.

http://www.sony.com.au/homecinema/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=23775#

oh and the lcd rear proj are way thinner than the old ones...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E3DQE.01-ASH1H6YCFH4EF.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Miami]

folks bought one of the 42" LG plasmas with inbuilt HD digital tuner, at the time was ~3.5k, now I see they're down to about 3k...deifnitely worth it at that price!

Picture quality is awesome, and does the picture-in-picture thing so mum can watch desperate housewives, with the soccer on the little screen in the corner, and switch over to it if it looks like a goal's about to be scored.

[ReaperSS]

LCD for the win ! I think the colour is deeper, better picture quality :)

[Muppet_Guy]

Yeah, plasma's sh|t now...

[RICEY]

only quality plasma Ive seen is a $24000 Pioneer one haha

[Muppet_Guy]

Fu(k that!

[Adr3naL1N]

go lcd, plasma is ****

[rokinrod]

mate.......my bro works in the tech industry selling pentax gear so these guys get all the gossip on wots good and not as they all share the information..........

in short........buy a lcd

yr choice and good luc

[confuzion]

my plasma wasnt exxy and is not HD but i gotta tell ya im really happy with it. Its one of those cheap teac ones for 1800 and when i was shopping around it was just as good as any other higher brand SD one. Didnt have money for a 3.5k HD one so thats my reason :) Dont regret it and have no problem with burn in at all. I have my home theatre pc connecting to it through DVI so picture is crisp and nice in my opinion...

[ELUSIV]

im waiting for SED TV's, solved all the downsides of plasma/LCD:

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/sed_tvs.htm

[FranZ]

For a big cheap TV with pretty good picture quality another option is LCD Rear projection. Unlike the old DLP rear projection these transmit through 3 tiny LCD screens so the picture is a lot better.

http://www.sony.com.au/homecinema/catalog/product.jsp?categoryId=23775#

oh and the lcd rear proj are way thinner than the old ones...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E3DQE.01-ASH1H6YCFH4EF.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Problem with three CRT (as it used to be) is that when one colour gets used more than another there becomes an inbalance in the colour - can give a quite off colour picture.

I know its LCD rather than CRT, but LCD's would still wear out. *shrug*


Its also alot harder to hang a rear projection tv off the wall than say a LCD or Plasma TV!

[TJ]

Ill take whatever the local junkie stole from the house down the road since its going to be under 500 bucks, and blood stains can be hidden.

[RB20ZED]

i got a 42inch hd plasma in my room and i use ot for my pc monitor and for all my hifi **** for the money u cant go past it really lcd is just to damn exxy atm...

[Fozzy]

I'm planning to get one shortly too, and it will be an LCD one. Don't care if it is 2K more. When you look at all TVs side by side in a store, all the better quality images come from LCDs, plasmas look crap in comparison. You won't find one plasma screen that has better quality image than an LCD. Why pay all that money to get sh|t quality?

Oh, also, the reason why I'm not worried by the 2K difference is because there's a perfectly legal way for anybody to get the taxman to pay for 30 to up to 48% of the set (which can almost cover that 2K difference). Anybody can do it, and you don't have to be in business of any sort, you can work as a payroll clerk or some sh|t if you wanted to, and this option is still available to you. Two of my friends have already done so no problems, saved heaps too!

Basically, there's a list called Fringe Benefits Tax exempt benefits. Under this list, the taxman lists all kinds of sh|t, such as PDAs, mobile phones, briefcases, laptops etc etc. What this means is once a year you can salary sacrifice any of this crap with your gross pay (say you make 4K a month inclusive of tax, or 3K after tax) you can spend all your gross pay (ie 4K) on one of those items, and they won't take tax off you. Which means, the 1K in tax your employer would have taken off you, pays for the goods also. Now, TV's are not on that list but... what you do is go up to the salesman, say u wanna get this hotsh|t $5K laptop, don't take delivery of the laptop yet, tell the salesman to give you an invoice and you provide your boss to pay for it, boss gives you the cash or cheque, whatever, you come back and say you've changed your mind and want to get this sweet $5K LCD TV instead of the laptop. Easy. If the salesman is cool, or if you know anyone, it might probably be better if you discuss it with them first, they won't care anyway, they just want a sale. So provided you are in the 30% tax bracket, a $5K screen is only gonna cost you $3.5K. Boss doesn't need to know anything, since it's a private thing anyway, and not business. Anyway, I'll be doing that in the next couple of months too :boink:


You idiot.

That is what they call fraud in the modern day world. Probably could also be charged with falsifying documents.

The FBT part of it is true yes, but how you are going about the purchase of the TV which as you clearly state is NOT listed on the FBT list you a commiting fraud. Not worth the risk of meeting bubba in my opinion.

[Muppet_Guy]

Idiot huh? Fozzy, I'm in the profession, trust me mate, a lot of people in the know are doing this, and it is not exactly fraud. You can get a friggin fridge, washing machine, a toaster, pocket the cash and get a dildo, whatever. Here's why:

Basically, if you were to go with actually getting the laptop, nowhere in the FBT rules are you required to hold it for any specific amount of time. There's nothing stopping you from selling it as soon as you buy it. You get the cash from boss, you pay, you get the laptop, you hold it in your hand for a minute, then you return it back, and you pocket the cash. What's the difference? Now if we shorten it up a little bit, you take my first scenario, at least you won't have to worry about any restocking fees or whatever else the store may charge you. Fu(k, if you are so concerned, then maybe talk to the guy and quietly agree to return the goods, and come back later for the TV, whatevr man. Or don't, and just return it a day later and say unwanted gift or some sh|t.

Falsyfying documents? Not really, your intention was to get the laptop, so you showed the boss the invoice, he gave you the dough, you went back to the store... yadda yadda yadda, you end up with TV (whether straight away, or few days later, doesn't matter), boss will never know as long as you're quiet about it. First of all, the laptop can be 100% private, you can do whatever you want with it, all my first method does is cut the corners and speed the process up a little bit.

I've never heard of anyone meeting bubba because of it. Think twice Fozzy before you call somebody you don't know an idiot, over something you got no clue about!

Oh, and by the way, these rules are so slack and full of sh|t anyway, like I mentioned above, briefcases are one example of things you can get... now what do chicks do? At my old workplace two chicks bought $2500 genuine LV bags and claimed them as briefcases...

Fozzy, if you're gonna be such a goody goody all your life, you'll find everyone is gona screw you over. You bend the rules, but not break them, you'll get a lot further ahead in life man.

[Muppet_Guy]

Funny how on TV today they were saying how most plasmas break after the warranty period expires... LCDs don't seem to have that problem.

[Denver]

Funny how on TV today they were saying how most plasmas break after the warranty period expires... LCDs don't seem to have that problem.
Funny how that all of the people bitching bought some of the first series plasma tv's...

as i said before, now they've ironed the bugs out, plasma are on par with lcd when it comes to burn in issues..

as for LCD having better picture quality, your on drugs, plasma is still a phospherous based tv, same as a normal CRT tv/monitor, the image has a more natural and warm feeling to it.. compare an lcd panel monitor to a normal CRT computer screen, the crt has a much nicer and crisper image to look at than the lcd, which suffers a slight degree of pixelation, same goes for the lcd tv's..

side by side, a plasma has a much better image compared to a LCD, bang for buck, a plasma wins hands down on an lcd, you can get a 42" HD compatable plasma for 2.5k like my hitachi, or the lg's with an inbuilt HD tuner start at around 3k, the hitachi has a much better image side by side compared to the LG. For an lcd your looking at a minimum of 4500, for something in the 30 something inch range, and go up from there.

The ONLY advantage to an lcd over a plasma, is if you wish to plug your computer into the tv, as you can run the LCD at a higher resolution than what you can a plasma....

Now as for your FBT gig, its fraud, face it, your deliberately purchasing goods your going to return to the supplier to exchange for something else, which is not listed in the FBT allowed list, your defrauding your employer, the tax dept, and more importanly, taking more of my hard earned so you can have a big tv..

Im pretty certain the tax dept would like to catch up with you about it, should they read your wild claims...

[Muppet_Guy]

I might have to go and look again in the stores, so far I've seen all the plasmas having a lot worse image, like kind of blurrier to LCD, whereas LCD has a lot sharper image... maybe that's changed as of last 6 months ago I dunno...

You're not defrauding your employer or anybody else. WTF?!?!?! Like I said, if you got no clue about it, don't make BS statements like that. It doesn't cost anything for your employer to salary sacrifice you a laptop. Going back to my example above, the $4K gross salary, he woud normally pay the $1K as tax anyway. Your employer will NEVER be out of pocket because of this, therefore it will not affect your employer in any way what so ever. And like I said, the laptop you purchase, you can sell within 2 days or 2 hours if you wanted to. It DOESN'T say it is illegal. It doesn't say you gotta keep the laptop. The laptop becomes your property, you can do whatever the fu(k you like with it, including selling it and pocketing the cash to buy yourself something else. Who the fu(k is gonna know or care what your intention is?!?! How much clearer do you need this to be explained?

And "takinng more of your hard earned cash so I can have a big TV"... Dude! What about people that buy themselves flashy cars and claim them it is business! How come u not complaining about a $50K "taking of your har earned", but you seem to have a problem with such a pitiful amount? The facts are, there are LEGAL ways to minimise your tax, and people do it. Just like with anything else. We have a certain tax system and people willalways try to find legal ways to minimise thier tax, unless you are a gullible sucker or something.

Tax dept eh? You know who I first heard it from? An ATO employee giving us training 2 years ago. That's right you dipsh|t, she was explaining the workings of the FBT, and this was one of the sections she was covering and possbile ways of minimising tax, which is what getting advice from an accountant is all about isn't it? Wild claims my ass... go ahead and pay the stupid amount if you want to, geez, I'm only giving ppl a clue how to LEGALLY save further 30-48% on their sets.

[Fozzy]

I still think your an idiot.

Its Fraud. No questions asked. I am not going to argue with someone that is totally pigheaded and thinks he knows everything.

I work in "The Industry" aswell and trust me its fraud and fraud is a jailable offence.

Just because other people do it and have not been caught does not make it legal.

[Muppet_Guy]

You "work in the industry" do you? What, selling TVs or accounting specialising in tax (with CPA qualification and a master degree of taxation may I add). Looking at your date of birth up there (22) looks like you could only be a recent uni graduate on $28K a year with no idea mate. I may not know everything still, I'm not a friggin 50 yr old tax lawyer, but like hell I know I'm a lot more qualified in that respect than you are, so yes, I do know what the fu(k I'm talking about!

Therefore I still think you are the idiot. Why? Here's why:
1. It is not fraud to sell your laptop soon after purchasing, I don't know where you got that from (check your facts idiot)
2. If you are an accountant you are obviously arguing from a lower level of expertise to me and doesn't know sh|t yet about how the tax system works in the greater details that I do, what the limits are and what can and cannot be done, as well as consequences to the actions you make. Check it but nowhere in the legislation does it say you will be jailed if you sell your laptop (check your facts idiot)
3. The reason why nobody has been "caught yet" is because there is nothing to be caught for
4. I found out about it from a training seminar conducted by an ATO representative who admitted it is a loophole, which so far (and it has been like good 5 years if not more) they havent bothered closing, and they don't plan for a while yet. Obviously that wasn't their intention, but the literal meaning of the tax law says it is. (once again, go dig up your legislation book and look into it you idiot, I have)

Do what you like, I've given you the clear facts, whereres all you are doing is saying "you are an idiot" without giving any supporting evidence what so ever. WHo's pigheaded here? You know fu(k all yet you make BS statemnts like that.

[RICEY]

Disagree Denver, go to your local harvey norman and compare the picture of the plasmas to the LCDS. All the plasmas look sh|t, the pics all furry. All the LCDs look clear and crisp.

Plasmas are cheaper because you get what you pay for.

[Twe12ve]

exactly, LCD Sony BRavvia...more exp but you will enjoy how much crisper and brighter the images look...
also, plasma's have trouble resolving black, so if you are watching dark videogames and movies, go LCD