Collie Trakdayz cancelled

[DanWA]

Bart can also concur that track cars drag a shitload of crap onto the track to

As for damages, that is worked into the drifters price as far as i am aware

At the end of the day Trackdayz has gone about "getting what they want" the wrong way, especially when lots of them are involved in other groups who have no problems booking the track

Now i am all about the track having as much bookings at possible, but totally against it being booked out at a loss

[beatle]

So, from what I can gather, trakdayz had an agreement with the previous management for a special rate on hire of the track. The new management has reviewed the agreement and discovered it is financially unsustainable. Trakdayz have been informed they will pay full rate for track hire, which cuts their margin, possibly meaning it is financially unsustainable at their current rate to clients.

Then there's the issue of booking dates being changed.

[fourseven]

Wow at paramedics price. Where do they come from, the city?

[Macca]

why was this thread reported to admin? Really need to take the fucking tissues out of your bra!

It is a discussion. deal with it

[DISTRBD]

but do drifters also do more damage to the track dropping wheels of edges and throwing shit up on the track itself? This has always been my understanding and why they don't allow drifting at the AHG center.

Drifters cause no more damage then what any other group do ..

[DanWA]

Indeed beatle... Trackdayz cancelled their dates of which the first one was pretty much filled immediately by another group

Fairly sure you don't have to get paramedics through the venue and that you can bring your own fully trained paramedics etc

[Darkside]

Wow at paramedics price. Where do they come from, the city?

As DanWA mentioned, you can bring your own paramedics, but bringing them from the city is even more expensive. You can also try to use the local St John in Collie but they are under resourced and cannot guarantee they can make it to your event. If you permit requires them, your event goes down the toilet if they dont show. Given the circuit supplies a fully equipped ambulance and two paramedics, the rate is actually quite reasonable to whatever else is out there. You can just ring in your own paras, set up a wagon with a stretcher and manage it yourself, (has been done when in a bind) but I would rather have the best care I can afford on hand should something go wrong, and also sell off the risk to someone else so if shit goes down, other than fulfilling your role as an organiser, the care of the person is in someone elses hands. And the track will guarantee they show, and they are familiar with track events and how to respond.

Re Trakdayz, its not the first time they have thrown their toys out of the cot and dumped Collie. I guess the market will determine the outcome. If MSW prices are too high, they will lose bookings and be forced to drop prices. But if they keep them up and and have a full calendar, I guess its stump up or go elsewhere. Here's hoping they make some surplus cash and can further improve the facility.

[fourseven]

If they are track supplied, I'd be very interested in their qualifications, but either way that price is blatantly high and clearly a money grab for "private" attendance.

I reckon I could convince our crew to come down and do it for the day for half that price! We had 3 vans at Racewars for $500 over 2 days. The country ambulance subcentres surrounding Collie would probably be more than willing to do the same thing as well.

[Riggs]

So, from what I can gather, trakdayz had an agreement with the previous management for a special rate on hire of the track. The new management has reviewed the agreement and discovered it is financially unsustainable. Trakdayz have been informed they will pay full rate for track hire, which cuts their margin, possibly meaning it is financially unsustainable at their current rate to clients.

Then there's the issue of booking dates being changed.

This

Re Trakdayz, its not the first time they have thrown their toys out of the cot and dumped Collie. I guess the market will determine the outcome. If MSW prices are too high, they will lose bookings and be forced to drop prices. But if they keep them up and and have a full calendar, I guess its stump up or go elsewhere. Here's hoping they make some surplus cash and can further improve the facility.

And this.

Trakdayz is a business. They will operate like a business. If something is not viable or a contract cannot be agreed on a business will pull out of a deal.

They usually have 16 or so coaches, Paramedics, an ambulance, crash clean up crew and recovery vehicles (there are always a few spills). Aside from their administration and booking staff. All of which costs money.

There are still motorcycle courses that are held at collie (MCRC, HMRC) so its not the end of the world.

[Darkside]

If they are track supplied, I'd be very interested in their qualifications, but either way that price is blatantly high and clearly a money grab for "private" attendance.

I reckon I could convince our crew to come down and do it for the day for half that price! We had 3 vans at Racewars for $500 over 2 days. The country ambulance subcentres surrounding Collie would probably be more than willing to do the same thing as well.

I have run countless days at Collie. The ambulance centres around collie are not able to help much at all. They are under resourced and struggle to fill their own rosters let alone get people committed in advance for other weekend work. You can get them from Bunno, but by the time you pay an hour travel each way, the cost of 2 paras and their ambulance, or one para and a first aider, the cost is at least as much if not more than what the track is charging. If you and your crew can do it for half the price, please let me know and we will book your services for the next Ducati day.

Re the locals, don't quote me but I expect they are trained paramedics from local mine sites. So you have two of them and a fully operational ambulance for 8 hours. Thats about $140hr for two skilled people plus the ambulance. Reasonable IMHO.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying you must use MSW ambulance service. If you can do it cheaper you are welcome to. Reality is, people try to find alternatives only to find there aren't any that are better priced or as convenient.

[DanWA]

There is no milk spilt on the msw side of the fence.

Trakdayz has handled the situation like preschool kids. Riggs said a business needs to be viable or it ends so thats pretty much the end of it. The track cannot continue to operate at a loss and trakdayz can't afford the track hire ($2500+gst) so trakdayz cancelled their own bookings

Maybe fourseven can put them onto the half price paramedics and they can try save the 2nd date they cancelled if they haven't already burnt their bridges. HCMC, MCRC and the Ducatti club are always repeat returners.

Including the Collie Chamber in the sped emails is poor form

[mr_mike]

There is no milk spilt on the msw side of the fence.

Trakdayz has handled the situation like preschool kids. Riggs said a business needs to be viable or it ends so thats pretty much the end of it. The track cannot continue to operate at a loss and trakdayz can't afford the track hire ($2500+gst) so trakdayz cancelled their own bookings

Maybe fourseven can put them onto the half price paramedics and they can try save the 2nd date they cancelled if they haven't already burnt their bridges. HCMC, MCRC and the Ducatti club are always repeat returners.

Including the Collie Chamber in the sped emails is poor form

I'll repeat myself again cos clearly you only want to read and absorb bits of peoples statements, This letter is not the doing of Trakdayz, its not backed by Trakdayz. It is the doing of Trakdayz SUPPORTERS like myself and fellows riders that are using the internet as a medium to convey our PERSONAL thoughts on the matter in the hope that both the Trakdayz group and the MSW can come to a mutual agreement.
You might ask then "why are we not emailing Trakdayz"? well again as I said Trakdayz coaches and management are active on PSB and are aware of peoples thoughts and love for the Collie track, The dates for Trakdayz events will usually sell out withing 48hrs after their release for both Barbs and Collie they are very popular.

I'll admit when I started this thread I had only been aware of one side of the argument and reading the more balanced non ranting posts in here has opened my eyes a bit to the situation. But it still does not change my opinion that is its a great loss that some agreement by both parties hasn't been reached and riders such as myself and others miss out.

[mr_mike]

There is no milk spilt on the msw side of the fence.

Trakdayz has handled the situation like preschool kids. Riggs said a business needs to be viable or it ends so thats pretty much the end of it. The track cannot continue to operate at a loss and trakdayz can't afford the track hire ($2500+gst) so trakdayz cancelled their own bookings

Maybe fourseven can put them onto the half price paramedics and they can try save the 2nd date they cancelled if they haven't already burnt their bridges. HCMC, MCRC and the Ducatti club are always repeat returners.

Including the Collie Chamber in the sped emails is poor form

Least the sped email doesn't include sentences like "repeat returners"??

[DISTRBD]

, The dates for Trakdayz events will usually sell out withing 48hrs

Least the sped email doesn't include sentences like "repeat returners"??

LOL

[Damo 69]

this thread gave me aids

[DanWA]

The mutual agreement is that trakdayz pays their way. Good on MSW for not bending over.

Also with attitudes like yours and some of the spankers on PSB, good riddance to Trakdays and we'll just be happy with HCMC, MCRC and the Ducatti club coming to Collie.

Have it on good authority that Trakdayz had nothing to do with this childish email barage but at the same time they havent really made an attempt to slow it down or stop it.

One thing that is clear, thank fuck antilag has Paul to organise the AL event.

[Darkside]

Emails might be misdirected. Maybe petition trackdayz to take a cut on their profit???

[fourseven]

This discussion is certainly something that can and should continue, but the insults need to stop FROM BOTH SIDES or I'm going to bin it.

[beatle]

If trakdayz is so popular, surely passing on the price rise should be no issue?

LOL at people complaining about businesses making profit.

[DanWA]

Will be interesting to see if Trakdayz gets a please explain over the online attack on MSW and where the info came from and the members who fired it up.

The above would be in italics but tapatalk doesnt have that feature

[TJ]

Is collie community or private run?

[Darkside]

^^^ Good question TJ. If it was a community based entity then roll on benefits to the local area could be in the equation. But regardless of being a not for profit community based entity or a private entity, it needs to remain viable....... either through income from punters or from the public purse.

[TJ]

You knew exactly what my follow up was going to be

[DanWA]

It is not community based

[mr_mike]

What is you role with MSW or Collie Motorplex Dan?